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u/DissentingJay
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Court In Italy Approves Decision To Extradite Son Of Russian Region's Governor To U.S. Russia/Ukraine
https://www.rferl.org/a/italy-extradites-russian-uss-usa/32328079.html337
u/imakenosensetopeople Mar 22 '23
For those wondering why a court in Italy ruled on extraditing a Russian to the US…. It’s because he’s currently in Italy on house arrest.
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u/DigNitty Mar 22 '23
Man, imagine you and your house being arrested.
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u/Angelworks42 Mar 22 '23
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u/EventHorizonSurfer Mar 22 '23
Pretty sure what it means here is that the house arrested him similar to a citizen arrest.
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u/Domcas02 Mar 22 '23
They're just joking around, I hope you know that💀
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u/DisneyPrincessYoda Mar 23 '23
Nah, it happened to me once. Authorities don't really respect a house arrest though because it jeopardizes their monopoly.
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u/838h920 Mar 22 '23 edited Mar 22 '23
Why would a construction company be allowed to buy military tech? What exactly are we talking about here?
edit: Answer from /u/Psychotic_Pedagogue
You can read the indictment itself online (they're public record). Just search for the individuals name + indictment and you should get a match on justice.gov
Reading through at the moment, most of the examples given are radiation hardened microcircuits and FPGAs for use on fighters. There's also a part needed for terrain avoidance and (i think) an IFF system.
That doesn't really have a commercial application outside of space flight. Very valuable in a military context though as fighters need to fly at very high altitudes and get exposed to a lot of radiation that way, and through ECM (jammers) on the aircraft itself. Without hardening the electronics would throw a lot of errors the moment the ECM suite was turned on, and fly-by-wire aircraft could become uncontrollable.
As for how they bought them, they basically lied and said they were components for use in the space program. Permalink to his comment so give him some updoots.
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u/Fuzzyphilosopher Mar 22 '23
Dual use chips. It's the same as them stealing Ukrainian appliances and taking the chips out for use in weapons systems. The chips in question aren't classified by any means but considered war materiel.
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u/troyunrau Mar 22 '23
Dual use items.
Say, for example, you work on mining equipment. And you have some sort of diesel engine needed to move heavy bulldozers around in an underground mine. Well, that engine is probably a decent tank engine too. So maybe it's used in both places, because it's more efficient to reuse technology.
So you buy an engine, say it's for your dozer, and put it in your tank. Suddenly you bought military technology and the press runs the story without explaining what dual-use technology is, and everyone is left outraged.
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u/838h920 Mar 22 '23
The article stated "U.S. military technologies and dual-use technologies", which makes it sound like it included technologies that only have military use.
The only thing I could think of as possible are weapon production lines, but this seems kinda unlikely.
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u/Psychotic_Pedagogue Mar 22 '23
You can read the indictment itself online (they're public record). Just search for the individuals name + indictment and you should get a match on justice.gov
Reading through at the moment, most of the examples given are radiation hardened microcircuits and FPGAs for use on fighters. There's also a part needed for terrain avoidance and (i think) an IFF system.
That doesn't really have a commercial application outside of space flight. Very valuable in a military context though as fighters need to fly at very high altitudes and get exposed to a lot of radiation that way, and through ECM (jammers) on the aircraft itself. Without hardening the electronics would throw a lot of errors the moment the ECM suite was turned on, and fly-by-wire aircraft could become uncontrollable.
As for how they bought them, they basically lied and said they were components for use in the space program.
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u/Initial_Cellist9240 Mar 23 '23
Your last line holds true, but supply chains have been.., weird lately. There’s dual use chips specced in boards in places you wouldn’t expect just because they were available at the time (and much more expensive) but the non aerospace components weren’t.
Now, usually it’s just easily swappable designs like hardened versions of ADCs, memory modules, and power transistors. idk if anyone’s ever been so hard up for components they subbed hardened fpgas. If so I weep for their BOM cost lmao
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u/troyunrau Mar 22 '23
A CNC lathe can make rifles as well as pistons... So who knows :/
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u/OhGodImOnRedditAgain Mar 22 '23
Just see the drama in r/formula1 about the allegations against Haas Automation
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u/amjhwk Mar 22 '23
So you buy an engine, say it's for your dozer, and put it in your tank. Suddenly you bought military technology and the press runs the story without explaining what dual-use technology is, and everyone is left outraged
well if you put it in your tank instead of your dozer, then you DID in fact buy military tech
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u/Dana07620 Mar 23 '23
ROFLMAO
Russia issues an "arrest warrant" and requests he gets sent back Russia. As if anyone couldn't figure out that was just to get him out of this.
Instead Italy agrees to extradite him to the US where he'll face real charges.
He's going to find out what federal prisons are like. I only wish he'd get the maximum of 30 years. (Though I wonder if Russia is going to arrest some American and try to trade for him.)
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Mar 22 '23
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u/CharsePerson Mar 22 '23
I have the feeling that this time the Russians won't be kidnapping, they'll attack directly.
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u/Whirlwind86 Mar 23 '23
They literally can't provide logistics for their troops a few kms from their borders.
It's a very funny concept them managing to sustain an attack anywhere in the US2
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u/Evignity Mar 22 '23
Good. Only when the elites and "nobles" of russia have had enough will there be change. The population is too much like North-Korea and indoctrinated into thinking the entire world is against them.
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u/SpaceTabs Mar 22 '23
Guy is 41 years old. Will be lucky if he sees freedom again. People like him and Putin thought Trump would be president and the world would be their oyster to plunder.
"According to the statement, Uss and Orekhov owned Nord-Deutsche Industrieanlagenbau GmbH (NDA GmbH), which bought U.S. military technologies and dual-use technologies, including semiconductors and microchips that are used in military jets, missile systems, modern ammunition, radars, and satellites. Kuzurgasheva served as the company's executive director.
"The items bought in the United States by the company in question were then passed on to Russian companies -- Radioavtomatika, Radioexport, and Abtronix -- owned by Telegin and Tulyakov.
"The U.S. Attorney General's Office said the items were discovered in Russian military vehicles and in equipment captured by Ukrainian forces during Russia's ongoing full-scale aggression against Ukraine."
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u/Equivalent-Lion4073 Mar 23 '23
As an italian, well done! And I see in the sea from my city hills I think the biggest sailboat in the world seized from some russian billionare months ago. I'm wondering what will happen with that vessel.
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u/Affectionate_Roof361 Mar 22 '23
I hope he doesn't get traded for a basketball player
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u/blarglwharbl Mar 22 '23
Oh, you mean the American citizen?
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u/Renegad_Hipster Mar 22 '23
Fuck around and find out. A low-tier celebrity breaking the law in a hostile country shouldn’t have meant releasing terrorists.
If I were dumb, I, too, would spend time and work in a country that is hostile to my own and my countrymen.
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u/Nobz81 Mar 23 '23
Aaaand, he's gone. He broke his security bracelet (or whatever it's called) and he's on the run. As usual, nice job Italy.
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u/notsocoolnow Mar 22 '23
It is because we believe in judicial concepts of due process and "innocent until proven guilty", these concepts are written into our constitutions, and we are not fascists who can violate our constitutions.
Yes it ties our hands, but that is the cost of being the good guy.
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u/MC_chrome Mar 22 '23
we are not fascists who can violate our constitutions
I don’t think you can say this now, with the way Republicans at both the state and federal level have been acting in recent years.
Point in case? Florida
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u/alkiap Mar 22 '23
Because that's not how a fair judicial system works, and is one the many things that distinguish a democracy from and authoritarian regime. Burden of proof is on the prosecution in the penalty system
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u/Additional_Share_551 Mar 22 '23
This is bad for the same reason internment camps of Germans and Japanese during ww2 in the US was a bad idea.
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u/OnceNamed Mar 22 '23
The Nazis currently in this conflict are affiliated with Ukraine, ironically.
I've seen multiple proud pictures posted by Ukranians showing swastika-laden flags and swastika-bearing Ukrainian military units.
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u/RushingTech Mar 22 '23
And there are Nazis affiliated with Wagner and Russia, what's your point? Members of a hateful ideology signed up to go to war and a chance to legally kill people, what a surprise.
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u/OnceNamed Mar 22 '23
hateful ideology signed up to go to war and a chance to legally kill people, what a surprise.
That's good insight, but I couldn't find any data linking United Russia to Nazism. I did, however, dig up part of their platform which is suspect:
the party's goal is to unite the responsible political forces of the country, aiming to minimize the differences between rich and poor, young and old, state, business and society. The economy should combine state regulation and market freedoms, with the benefits of further growth distributed for the most part to the less fortunate.
*Bolding is mine
This is probably the most classic example of Fascism in that party platform. Interesting.
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u/sillypicture Mar 22 '23
like the other guy said, innocent until proven guilty. even if you are a person of interest. if this cornerstone of the justice system goes out the window because we just know their money came from no good, then we are no different from them.
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Mar 22 '23
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u/notheresnolight Mar 22 '23
Jail is too much. But if they can't prove they obtained their wealth legally, it should be confiscated.
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u/autotldr BOT Mar 22 '23
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)
The commander of Ukraine's ground forces, Oleksandr Syrskiy, said Russian assault groups have been attempting to advance toward the center of Bakhmut, the Donetsk region city that has been the focal point of a months-long raging battle that has prompted heavy losses to both sides.
Earlier, Kishida toured Bucha, a town outside Kyiv where the mayor has said 400 civilians were killed last year by Russian forces.
Kishida's visit to Ukraine coincided with Xi's visit to Moscow to hold talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has become increasingly isolated on the international stage because of the invasion.
Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Kishida#1 Ukraine#2 Russian#3 Russia's#4 forces#5
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u/Senior-Government-87 Mar 23 '23
What kind of bastard sacrifices their own child for some spare parts, have fun in jail for the rest of your life dude
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u/SubmergedFin Mar 23 '23
30 years. US prisons would be the single exception to the rule that the West is better than Ruzzia. I hope they rot.
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Mar 22 '23
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u/No_Mission5618 Mar 22 '23
He’s in house arrest in Italy, he bough technology from the united states to give to Russian companies. Why would he stay in Italy.
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u/notrevealingrealname Mar 23 '23
China
China already demands that Taiwanese arrested in other countries be extradited to them so not the greatest example.
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u/notrevealingrealname Mar 23 '23
at this point I would see the US/ west just the same as I see Russia, China, Iran
And not seeing the difference doesn’t mean there isn’t one.
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u/notrevealingrealname Mar 23 '23
Or I can say that deliberately lying to a US business to secure US goods to supply to a foreign aggressor is fundamentally different from the human rights violations you describe.
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u/No_Mission5618 Mar 22 '23
If you’re American and you go to Iran that’s on you, plus China gets a lot of tourism, they wouldn’t risk being put in the same boat as Russia on the do not travel too countries. Plus again he commuted the crime elsewhere but it doesn’t matter where you commit it. That’s like saying the drug traffickers in Mexico shouldn’t be extradited to the us because they committed the crime in Mexico. Since he took and sold american technology he has to be held accountable by American standards.
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u/secret179 Mar 23 '23
How can a person break US law while being outside US and Italy honor that?
Does it seem like a long overreach?
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u/phoenixgsu Mar 23 '23
Because they were violating US export law/sanctions by buying stuff and sending it to RU military.
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u/secret179 Mar 23 '23
But how does US control what someone buys in Italy?
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u/phoenixgsu Mar 23 '23
It was purchased inside the US.
From the article:The items bought in the United States by the company in question were then passed on to Russian companies -- Radioavtomatika, Radioexport, and Abtronix -- owned by Telegin and Tulyakov.
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u/DissentingJay Mar 22 '23
"According to the statement, Uss and Orekhov owned Nord-Deutsche Industrieanlagenbau GmbH (NDA GmbH), which bought U.S. military technologies and dual-use technologies, including semiconductors and microchips that are used in military jets, missile systems, modern ammunition, radars, and satellites. Kuzurgasheva served as the company's executive director. The items bought in the United States by the company in question were then passed on to Russian companies -- Radioavtomatika, Radioexport, and Abtronix -- owned by Telegin and Tulyakov."