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US military releases video from Russian fighter jet crash with drone Russia/Ukraine
https://abcnews.go.com/US/us-military-releases-video-drone-showing-collision-russian/story?id=97902649506
u/slinger301 Mar 16 '23
Russians, of all people, should realize that dashcams are a thing.
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u/dogeimistic Mar 16 '23
Proof Russia is talking shit when they say the drone made dodgy maneuvers.
What really happened was the Russian fighter jets dumped fuel twice on the drone and then flew into it.
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u/TheAlbinoAmigo Mar 16 '23
The anchors in the clip in the article mention that Russian jets made 19 of these passes over a half hour window.
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u/impy695 Mar 16 '23
I really want to know what everyone was thinking. I'm imagining the Russian pilots laughing about how they're "owning the Americans" with some "I know you are, but what am I" style insults going through their head. And I have no idea what the drone pilot was thinking. "Are these guys really this dumb?", just laughing, "just fly straight, pretend they're not there, make sure it's on video" are my top guesses, and it's probably something else.
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u/mythrilcrafter Mar 16 '23 •
I know right?
The Russian pilot is putting both himself and a (USD equivalent) 40 million dollar plane on the line to play chicken against an unmanned piece of equipment that doesn't fear death and is owned by the country who can most easily pay to replace it.
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u/OtisTetraxReigns Mar 16 '23
I doubt the Russian pilots were doing this without orders. The only thing that would make these actions more dumb is if the pilots came up with the idea themselves.
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u/LeafsWinBeforeIDie Mar 16 '23
I think the fact that this was probably ordered by higher ups just shows the stupidity of the ruzzians goes all the way up the chain. It's much worse if this is what the ruzzian leadership came up with than if it was a "creative pilot"
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u/LQjones Mar 16 '23
Whether that pilot had orders or not he is in deep trouble for fucking up the maneuver and getting caught.
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u/Guy-Guy3 Mar 16 '23
How was he not going to get caught? Everything is recorded on one of those drones, that’s the whole point of them. The US probably had the jet markings and has identified the pilot.
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u/greeperfi Mar 16 '23
SO did the Russian plane get damaged?
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u/ExoUrsa Mar 16 '23 edited Mar 16 '23
Surprisingly, the RPM of a typical aircraft prop is about the same as a lawnmower blade (2-4k). An aircraft prop is larger so the tips are travelling at higher speeds. So there's a good chance there's a some minor damage to the jet, but I'd assume it'd just be a an external panel that they can replace. I mean, I can't imagine taking a lawnmower to a jet and it being perfectly fine. At the same time, I can't imagine downing a jet with a lawnmower, either, unless it got sucked into the engine.
Also, if the jet had been seriously damaged, Russia would probably have suggested that its jet was attacked by the drone. That would be consistent with their repeated statements that the west is attacking them.
At that is your Reddit armchair military expert analyses for the day. I have no formal education in jets or armchairs, however, so take it with a heap of salt.
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u/valiqs Mar 16 '23
I don't know, but this guy seems like an expert in lawnmowers, so I'm convinced! /s
I kid, but you have some solid inferences here even if you aren't an expert. Particularly the part about Russia saying the drone attacked the jet if the jet had been destroyed or damaged. That's pretty on brand.
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u/mythrilcrafter Mar 16 '23
Russia would never openly admit it, but looking at the footage and a schematic of the SU-27, I'd say that underbelly of the plane (particularly the intakes/nacelles) is probably damaged and depending on where the plane made contact with the drone, the jets might have ingested some of the drone's shrapnel; not enough to kill the engines and down the plane, but I imagine that the ground crew is going to be busy for a while fixing the pilot's mistake.
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u/Yossarian_Noodle Mar 16 '23
Also, aren't they literally pissing away fuel? Maybe jet fuel is cheap in Russia. Super weird flex.
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u/TheInfernalVortex Mar 16 '23
Well it probably is. Russia is a petrostate who can’t sell fuel to Europe anymore. They have plenty of it. What they don’t have is more Su27s rolling off assembly lines.
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u/WhoKnowsNotUs Mar 16 '23
We can't sell it and we can't buy the parts to fix the planes that use it... I know, we'll terrorize people with it, and flirt with ww3!
Edit: spelling
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u/Disbigmamashouse Mar 16 '23
I would be willing to bet that when something like this happens there are so many supervisors leaning over the drone pilots shoulder, and they are probably on the phone with the Pentagon, all saying the same thing, "fly straight, get it on camera."
That is a benefit of drones I had not considered, the ability to have 20 more people watching you fly real time and giving direction.
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u/ricecake Mar 16 '23
Yeah, the drones have the advantage of being extremely deliberate and no one is particularly full of adrenaline.
Worst case scenario, everyone is still driving home for the night.
Although possibly with complex PTSD if they had to make a drone strike, since it took a while for people to piece together that although they're thousands of miles away, they're still engaged in combat and somberly killing people while looking directly at them.But yeah, they have nice long chains of signoff for basically anything of note that they do.
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u/Mortar_Maggot Mar 16 '23
Sheeit the Army could have told them that for the price of some of that good Air Force food. Snipers have had trouble since forever and in the 2000's you had guys watching a long range camera feed to adjust indirect fire having trouble. The idea that you need to be covered in mud in a combat zone to have PTSD needs to die.
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u/ricecake Mar 16 '23
All I know I got from an article calling attention to it, but it seems like it was being caught off guard with what amounted to office workers getting PTSD while outside combat zones entirely, and actually going home to their families every night.
Fortunately they (seemed) to be handling it, just didn't preallocate the counseling resources they would for a "in the mud" type of group.
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u/Mortar_Maggot Mar 16 '23
Let's be real, counseling is short on supply across the board still. But yeah that one really shouldn't have caught them off guard.
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u/jmur3040 Mar 16 '23
The drone might have just been loitering on it's own. I'd imagine they get some kind of alert for this, at which point you pull the feed up and just watch a ham fisted game of "i'm not touching you" play out with millions of dollars of equipment.
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u/LivinInLogisticsHell Mar 16 '23 edited Mar 16 '23
Drone Pilot was probably like why does this shit have to happen on MY shift. then he has to go do his commander and explain to them that a disphit is a Mig just knocked out a multimillion dollar predator drone that's soaked in jet fuel because russia lets any idiot who's done a landing sequence on MS flight sim fly a jet
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u/socialistrob Mar 16 '23
because russia lets any idiot who's done a landing sequin on MS flight sim fly a jet
That’s what happens after losing hundreds of planes and helicopters over a year of fighting in Ukraine. Russia just doesn’t have that many capable pilots left.
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u/anotherkeebler Mar 16 '23 edited Mar 16 '23
19 passes while the drone was pointing high-resolution cameras—and God knows what other kinds of sensors—at them.
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u/VagrantShadow Mar 16 '23
They are determined idiots and assholes.
We've already seen this with how many of the russian higher officials jumped out of windows shooting themselves three times in the back of the head in an act of suicide.
They need to learn gravity and bullets are not their friend.
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u/Chaotic-Catastrophe Mar 16 '23
Why not just fucking shoot it down at that point? Instead of running the stupid older sibling 'I'm not touching you' game over and over? Because then they fucked up and did touch it, which had literally the same effect as just fucking shooting it down.
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u/tuxzilla Mar 16 '23
Why not just fucking shoot it down at that point?
Could you imagine if they tried to shoot it down and it also took 19 passes before they hit it?
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u/SeriousGoofball Mar 16 '23
Because they want to retrieve it. If the fuel dump worked it means the drone comes down in one piece. Much easier to study.
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u/Chaotic-Catastrophe Mar 16 '23
I read a comment elsewhere about this that basically said that this drone is 20 years old. If Russia has anything useful to learn from studying it at this point, they're doing way worse than we already thought they were.
I don't know if that's true though.
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u/sundevilfb88 Mar 16 '23
made dodgy maneuvers
As someone who worked on these particular aircraft for over 10 years, the first time that I heard the Russian news claiming it was doing any maneuvers of any kind I audibly laughed and new it was total bullshit. This thing is as maneuverable as an Escalade. Not what it was designed for at all, and the Russians of course knew that going into the encounter.
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u/zero0n3 Mar 16 '23
Yep - aren’t they mainly flown by duos in pods back on US soil? So the latency from flight means most complex actions are automated (landing and take off), and the duo is mainly navigating it through its way points and monitoring targets (video feed) vs actually flying the thing like a pilot?
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u/Roflkopt3r Mar 16 '23
Yeah that all fits into its design. It's a propeller aircraft that's not intended for missions that require speed and agility, although it technically can carry air to air missiles.
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u/Assmeat Mar 16 '23
Would be a shame if the next drone the Russians nudge just randomly exploded
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u/OtisTetraxReigns Mar 16 '23
That’d be a waste of a drone. The Russian Air Force are perfectly capable of crashing their own aircraft. Particularly into Russian apartment blocks.
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u/zuiquan1 Mar 16 '23
Take offs and landings are not automated. When we were in Afghanistan we had pilots on the ground there specifically for take offs and landings and would then handoff controls to pilots in the States after a certain distance from the base.
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u/nachoolo Mar 16 '23
If the Kremlin said that the sky is blue I would look up just to be certain that it hasn't turn green.
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“It was, in fact, raining and grey. They had lied yet again, to the surprise of no one.”
Voiced by David Attenborough
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u/Pittman247 Mar 16 '23
Man, I HEARD that. Lol! Suddenly got interested and am waiting for the next lines.
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“The Ukrainians, fiercely territorial and independent, fought the Russians to a standstill.
Meanwhile, the Russians were panicking. They did not understand how such a small force, was able to repel them. They sat and scratched their heads.”
Voiced by David Attenborough
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u/Captain_Blackbird Mar 16 '23 •
"Here we see the Ukrainian Tractor in its natural habitat, tending the fields in which consists its territory."
"Suddenly, the tractor turns. It appears to have caught the scent of its natural prey - Russian military vehicles. It quickly starts to the direction it's senses tell it to, and is soon, quickly joined by others. Watch, as the packs of Tractors move together. The younger tractors push ahead, eager to sight their prey - while the older tractors are less enthusiastic, having done this dozens of times throughout their lives. Upon sighting their prey, the younger tractors stop, joined shortly afterwards by the older, more experienced tractors."
"A standoff ensues. The Russian vehicles are silent - perhaps in an attempt to avoid the ire of the superior predators. Or perhaps because they have already resigned themselves to their fates. First, the young tractors engines roar, and horns blare - an attempt to scare one of the Russian armored units into breaking loose. It doesn't work. The T-90's, 72's and various BMP's and armored carriers, are standing strong, silent, and sturdy."
"The younger tractors are unsure - they haven't seen prey that didn't run before. But the older tractors know otherwise. This wall of armor - for its bristling weaponry and attitude - were stuck in the mud. Helpless and ripe for the taking. The older tractors, begin to roll forwards."
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u/dieyoufool3 Slava Ukraini Mar 16 '23
I could hear Attenborough's voice. This is sooo good.
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u/pomaj46808 Mar 16 '23
Russia's strategy isn't to get you to believe you. It's to get you to say, "I don't know, maybe, but they all lie, so just imagine what the other side is lying about."
They know they can't convince you to support them, but they can get to doubt things enough that you'll lack the conviction to support their opposition.
They want you to ask, "but why was the drone even there?" As if the US monitoring an invasion is somehow questionable.
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u/FlyingPasta Mar 16 '23
Yeah everyone here is so smug as if Russia is currently blushing and sweating about the lie. They just don’t give a shit and it’s in their best interest to stir up confusion and ambiguity as much as possible. Plus the footage sure as hell won’t play on their media
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u/Carthonn Mar 16 '23
Yeah at this point I’m not sure who Russia is trying to convince. They are just one giant troll.
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u/BringBackAoE Mar 16 '23
I think it’s also because so many times before their lies and “muddying the water” has been so effective.
Two things have changed:
“Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.” The lies and muddying are so similar every time that anyone with half a brain cell will wake up after all these years.
Ukraine. Ukraine has shone a harsh light on the pure evil of Muscovy, and when see multiple war crimes and rapes and civilians tortured you cannot believe their claim of “it’s all lies!”
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u/Kuraloordi Mar 16 '23
Just typical bots.
You can confirm any allegation by waiting for Russian government to say they did not do it. Then it's more than likely that they did the deed.
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u/whoneedsusernames Mar 16 '23
Lies, incompetence, provocation.
The path ahead looks very dark for Russia.
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u/angrylad Mar 16 '23
Well I can't remember a time where russia was truthful, competent or neutral/friendly
Maybe I'm just too young though
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u/Xciv Mar 16 '23
They were neutral/friendly during Boris Yeltsin. There's a reason European countries tried to gradually shift Russia into trade ties to set it up for eventually joining the EU. That dream died when Putin revealed the rat-faced demon behind his mask.
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u/RevivedMisanthropy Mar 16 '23
This recent article explains all this https://reader.foreignaffairs.com/2023/03/13/the-russia-that-might-have-been/content.html
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u/Possiblyreef Mar 16 '23
There's was a time in the late 90s when Putin was new where he said he wanted to work with Europe.
I think this soured once he realised that meant Russia becoming more European, not the other way around
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u/lesser_panjandrum Mar 16 '23
Imagine if Russia had actually committed to becoming more European. There would be peace, prosperity, and more than 3/4 Russian households might have a flushing toilet.
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u/-Stackdaddy- Mar 16 '23
Plus there'd be 200k+ Russians still breathing, more if you factor infant survival rates for a more prosperous nation, compounded over however many years.
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u/macemillion Mar 16 '23
There was a short time in the early 90s where some people were hopeful, but other than that I’m pretty sure you’d have to go back over 100 years to find a time when Russia wasn’t batshit crazy and belligerent
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u/angrylad Mar 16 '23
I was born in -90 so I was very small when all of that happened, but I do remember reading about USSR under Gorbatsov and continued with Jeltsin during the early Russian reformation which apparently had some potential/hopes up for people.
I live in Finland though so my opinion can also be very biased, but thanks for the explanation
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u/dak4f2 Mar 16 '23
I was in middle school in the US in the 90s and we had en exchange student from Russia. Then after she left the school set it up so we could have a pen pal from a Russian school and I pen palled my Russian pen pal for years. She sent Russian chocolates. There was some friendship building program between the countries through my small rural US school.
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u/MaimedJester Mar 16 '23
Russian citizens are still not uncommon to see in America and exchange programs. I had Russian exchange students in highschool in the middle aughts. The one that surprised me the most was meeting an exchange student from Myanmar in College. That threw me for a loop because that country has been under so many authoritarian regimes and changes of government you might recognize it by an older name of Burma.
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u/poop-machine Mar 16 '23
That's the Russian MO. Deny, accuse, ridicule and lie for as long as possible, then try to change the narrative once presented with hard evidence.
Same happened when they were getting ready to invade Ukraine.
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u/RoDeltaR Mar 16 '23
They don't try to convince you, but they muddle the information landscape so much that you're not sure what to believe. In the uncertainty, they're able to do abusive things and escape part of the consequences.
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u/xxpen15mightierxx Mar 16 '23
Only a moron wouldn’t know what to believe at this point. By now you can pretty much just assume the opposite of whatever rus is saying.
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u/movingchicane Mar 16 '23
Dude could not even line up decently for both runs and decided to go in from an awkward angle with a high angle of attack. Of course he was having control issues.
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u/xNIBx Mar 16 '23
I mean the jets are an order of magnitude faster than the drone and many orders of magnitude more maneuverable. It's like colliding with a turtle. Russia just says stupid shit that most people, even russians, dont believe.
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u/2tog Mar 16 '23
Someone tell the Russians these unmanned drones are flying cameras. How stupid
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u/bn1979 Mar 16 '23
You would think Russia would understand the concept of “dash cam”.
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u/TrainingObligation Mar 16 '23
Expanding your point... the whole reason they were so extremely common in Russia more than a decade before anywhere else, was to protect owners against fake accident claims like deliberate back-ups to "simulate" a rear-end collision, and pedestrians throwing themselves onto hoods and claiming injury.
They didn't trust everyday Russians to tell the truth, the fact any of them believe their own government's denials about this incident are laughable.
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u/Noughmad Mar 16 '23
They didn't trust everyday Russians to tell the truth, the fact any of them believe their own government's denials about this incident are laughable.
Russia's strategy is next-level lying. It has been since at least the Soviet times, maybe even before. It's also sometimes called "reverse cargo cult".
In essence, they always lie, even when the lie is obvious, when their lies contradict each other, or even when truth would help them more. Why? They are intentionally making it obvious that they're lying so that people think everybody else is lying too. "Our government is obviously lying that our stores are full, so it follows that Americans are also lying when showing pictures of full supermarkets".
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u/buzzsawjoe Mar 16 '23
When the Russians were able to start coming to the US in the 90's, they went into supermarkets and saw the shelves full. I might add that US supermarket, grocery stores, dept. stores, any kind of store - shelves are jam packed with food or whatever they sell. Empty shelf space is lost money. And Americans are not starving, in general there is simply too much food! But these Russians were certain it was a setup by the CIA.
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u/Tactful_Turtle Mar 16 '23
Credit is due to the current administration/leaders of the US. They declassified this footage to release it publicly. They have been doing the same thing since the months leading up to the initial invasion when they released imagery to show troop formations and equipment the Russians were preparing to use.
While the Russian talking heads seem lie about anything and everything, not all of their claims are easily refutable with open source intelligence. The US's recent efforts to rapidly declassify and disseminate information to counter the Russians disinformation campaigns has been very well done.
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u/dobrowolsk Mar 16 '23 edited Mar 16 '23
That's what got me the most. Did they think they can get away with lying about anything that happens near a fucking SURVEILLANCE DRONE? The thing is built for reporting anything near and far from it.
And honestly I think they knew everybody outside of Russia would recognise their BS as BS. Their lies are mostly for domestic consumption.
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u/DougSeeger Mar 16 '23
And also a good view of the "unarmed" russian plane lie.
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u/pivottofakie Mar 16 '23 edited Mar 17 '23
Did they actually claim that the plane was unarmed? 🤦♂️
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u/Kotenkiri Mar 16 '23
They claimed their jets "did not use airborne weapons or come into contact" with the drone.
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u/NeverBob Mar 16 '23
Be a pity if we sent up some unarmed drones with proximity fuses.
"Congrats, comrade. You now have drone shrapnel in your engine intakes. Have a fun landing."
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u/flyhull Mar 16 '23
While normal chaff would probably work, my go to would be ejected bags of dog poop
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u/max1mise Mar 16 '23
I love they say, 'Not hit on purpose, but an incompetent pilot'. Allowing some 'saving of face.' BUT the US dare the Russians to either say "yes, we have incompetent pilots," or "no, our pilots did it on purpose." Either way Russia is eating shit. This is very good brinksmanship from the US. A clearly aggressive act from Russia that the whole world would call provocative, then US being the bigger sovereignty while also giving a good jab. I love that stuff.
If Russia says the bump was accidental and should not cause issues, it also gives the US some precedence later to 'bump' into Russian assets. So really Russia should admit the mistake, take umbrage, and agree it was an aggressive miscalculation otherwise we may be looking at the first "Oopsie War", where we don't use missiles or bombs, but ramming speeds and the "I'm not even touching you, I'm not even touching you!" defence. heh better known to future tacticians as the, "Annoying Sibling Gambit."
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u/csfreestyle Mar 16 '23
They WHAT?
Seriously, none of this China-India conflict is on my radar. Where can I catch up?
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u/Pied_Piper_ Mar 16 '23
If you go to the google and type “China India border Dispute” you will encounter like, everything you could possibly want.
Here is the Wikipedia article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_border_dispute
Here is a 60 second primer: https://youtube.com/shorts/GKx_JZTWZF4?si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE
The area is currently poor, but not so poor that both sides just decide not to give a fuck. So they give about 1/3 of a fuck. Thus, “we can fuck about, but no guns lads.”
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u/xzbobzx Mar 16 '23
So what's the difference between bodyslamming a drone out of the sky and shooting a drone out of the sky?
Okay, intentions matter, accidents happen.
But what was Russia intending for the jet fuel being dumped on the drone to do, then?
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u/Gloomfang_ Mar 16 '23
You don't accidentally fly 1m away from drone 19 times.
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u/Zirenth Mar 16 '23
They clearly didn’t fly 1m away 19 times.
They only did that 18 times and flew 0m away 1 time.
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u/zhaoz Mar 16 '23
So what's the difference between bodyslamming a drone out of the sky and shooting a drone out of the sky?
Competence.
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u/Hail-Hydrate Mar 16 '23
Pretty much this.
If you shoot a drone down with guns/missiles/etc. It's very obviously hostile.
The "oopsie daisy fucky wucky" bodyslam gives the Russians a plausible level of deniability. They can throw the pilot
out the windowunder the bus by claiming they were incompetent and passed too close. The fuel dumping can similarly be blamed on incompetence.The US releasing the footage puts Russia in the awkward position of either admitting they were trying to destroy/damage the drone - and risk similar actions the next time they violate another nation's airspace - or openly admit their pilots are incompetent.
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u/Longjumping-Taste936 Mar 16 '23
Same reason FSB agents were visiting an English town to see a tall church spire around the same time a Putin critic and his daughter living in the town were poisoned with a nerve agent.
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u/ominous_squirrel Mar 16 '23
Same reason FSB agents were secretly planting “sugar” bomb “decoys” in occupied Russian apartment buildings during a bombing spree that was blamed on Chechnya exactly when Putin needed a terrorism scare in order to become elected
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u/ImperiousMage Mar 16 '23
Which humiliates Russia, and is an effective tactic against a narcissist like Putin.
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u/FlowControlValve Mar 16 '23
And you can clearly see there aren't any pylons on that wing, so their justification of it being armed was bullshit.
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u/nonamesleftadmin Mar 16 '23
Video on reddit. russian pilot clearly unskilled
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u/nafo_frenchie Mar 16 '23
Skill issues lmao
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u/IchiSanSanNana Mar 16 '23
Vote kick: Russian pilot [1 of 4]
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u/SietskenLol Mar 16 '23
Vote kick: Russian pilot [2 of 4]
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u/QuillQuickcard Mar 16 '23
Vote kick: Russian pilot [3 of 4]
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u/KorganoInTheStreets Mar 16 '23
Vote kick: Russian pilot [4 of 4]
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u/INVADER_BZZ Mar 16 '23
Russian pilot: блять сууука
Russian pilot left the plane.
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u/Barking_Mad90 Mar 16 '23
They lost the “good” pilots over Ukraine.
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u/ldn-ldn Mar 16 '23
They lost good pilots due to old age decades ago. And no replacements were trained properly since the USSR fell apart.
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u/LewDawg524 Mar 16 '23
I hope the drone pilot is ok
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u/daveygeek Mar 16 '23
He’ll get a drone Purple Heart for this…
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u/WeAreAllHosts Mar 16 '23
The pilot probably twisted an ankle on their way to the keurig machine while taking a break.
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I love how russia comes out and lies about what really happened. When you flew into a drone that’s specifically designed for surveillance with cameras strapped to it recording shit.
Like truly Russia is throwing shit at the wall and hope it sticks
Edit: Omg I didn’t think this comment would get this type of recognition. Thank you kind stranger for the award.
Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦💙
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u/TheVenetianMask Mar 16 '23
"The drone that is made for steady, efficient flight was moving very abruptly and the pilot in the extremely maneuverable fighter jet wasn't able to dodge it"
I need a list of people that believed that. I have a Muscovian bridge to sell them.
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u/ArthurBonesly Mar 16 '23 •
Like truly Russia is throwing shit at the wall and hope it sticks
It's a cornerstone of their propaganda. It's a method of media control where if everything is a lie, anything is possible. You aren't just tossing shit to stick, you're hoping shit will fall into the moat and muddy the waters beyond anybody's sight. When nobody knows what's true anymore they'll default to the truth they like best and that's when an openly corrupt propaganda machine can march in. Sure, it's lying too, but it tells the lies people want to believe and also spends half it's time telling people everyone else is lying.
Ultimately it's not actually hard to see the truth, but once you've settled into your media bubble they just need to keep telling you the waters are still muddy and that their truth is better than the terror of uncertainty.
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u/CaptainLammers Mar 16 '23
That’s it!
People really struggle to understand the essence of the Russian Propoganda machine. And it’s actually quite simple.
Above all else, it confuses and disorients. The message is less important than the mental exhaustion of the populace. Not knowing what to believe, giving up on the idea that you’ll understand.
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u/pchadrow Mar 16 '23 •
That's not just the Russian propaganda machine, that's any propaganda machine which we now have virtually everywhere thanks to the echo chambers produced by social media but also most prolifically in Fox News in the US
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u/liberal_texan Mar 16 '23
Yes, and it's called the Firehose of Falsehood. It's frustratingly effective.
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u/gold_fish_in_hell Mar 16 '23
Their audience is useful idiots they will not believe to this video anyway
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u/poop-machine Mar 16 '23
Indeed, they're already calling it AI-generated over at RT.
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u/TheDarthSnarf Mar 16 '23
So, RT's argument is basically "The US is so technologically superior to Russia, that they can produce near-real time AI-created high-resolution videos that are so good the rest of the world can't tell it's AI generated"
I don't know about you, but that argument about the US being that far ahead in technology should be frightening if you actually think about it. That would mean that the US is at least 10-15 years ahead of where the rest of the world thought they were in Technology already.
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u/Kulladar Mar 16 '23
Russians are professionals at the self own.
Guy in another thread was saying the US is "pumping all this money into Ukraine and they're still sending old men to the frontlines." and of course the implication is just that Russia is getting their cheeks absolutely clapped by a bunch of old men with some fancy toys.
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u/HHHogana Mar 16 '23
Don't forget their insistence at not acknowledging many successful Ukraine's sabotage and attacks, which usually make them claim crap like 'someone smoked in the wrong place at the wrong time'. Which make them unprofessional at best or unbelievably incompetent at worst.
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u/_zenith Mar 16 '23
Yeah "nuh uh you didn't sink our Moskva! We sunk it ourselves! Either we're sufficiently incompetent that we lit our vessel on fire and couldn't put it out somehow… or we sunk it during ""stormy weather""
*! Why yes, our flagship military vessel cannot handle merely rough seas, what's the problem?!"
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u/hitokirizac Mar 16 '23 edited Mar 16 '23
The aurora borealis was localized there that day... at that latitude, at that time of year, entirely within the Moskva.
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u/TheVenetianMask Mar 16 '23
Nah you can tell they made it in Kerbal Space Program 2 because of the frame rate.
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u/RobotApocalypse Mar 16 '23
Video is fudged in quality because they don’t want to give away anything in capability. I bet the original looks fantastic.
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u/SGTX12 Mar 16 '23
I would imagine the common man wouldn't understand why that would be so difficult to achieve.
I doubt the average russian citizen would even care to dispute the official line, nevermind analyze why that line is absurd.
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u/Danjiks88 Mar 16 '23
Technically did you see the plane touch any part of the drone? /s
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u/ash_ninetyone Mar 16 '23
US intelligence has been pretty spot on in general, and yet there will be idiots that still think that Russia is the one telling the entire truth.
Flight tracking apps have often shown US aircraft in the Black Sea, quite far away from any coast line, and clearly in international airspace.
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u/Sweaty_Maybe1076 Mar 16 '23
Republicans believe anything anti-Biden. They will ignore their own network telling them it hates them - so you can only imagine
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u/Aromatic_Balls Mar 16 '23 edited Mar 16 '23
A slow moving drone flying in a straight line, at that.
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u/SmokinGreenNugs Mar 16 '23 edited Mar 16 '23
I’m surprised they didn’t call it a fabrication pulled from the movie reels of Top Gun 3.
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u/1fastdak Mar 16 '23
He was trying to dump fuel on it but accidently crashed into it. Just when you thought Russia couldn't get anymore incompetent.
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u/64645 Mar 16 '23
Every time I think Russia couldn’t get more incompetent, they’re like “hold my vodka.”
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u/bigcracker Mar 16 '23
Surprise surprise Russia lied. Their idiot pilot took a bad angle and hit the drone trying to spray it with fuel.
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u/lLikeCats Mar 16 '23
Russia is done. There is no coming back for them for probably a century.
At least prior to invasion people thought Russia was a superpower (militarily speaking) now everyone knows that even a paper tiger is scarier than the Russian military.
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u/clauderbaugh Mar 16 '23
There will be a response. Somewhere a significant plane or ship will accidentally blow up or hey, you know giving Ukraine ATACAMS seems like an ok idea now. It may not be publicized, but it will happen in some manner.
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u/OwnerOfABouncyBall Mar 16 '23
The Russian military is as unprofessional and incompetent as it gets.
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u/edgeofsanity76 Mar 16 '23
Looks like it's trying to dump fuel over the drone and fucks it up completely. I mean simply maneuvering Infront of the drone and using jet blast or a fuel dump would work without doing dangerous tricks like this?
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u/Gryphus_Actual Mar 16 '23
It's a difficult manouver because the drone flies super slow compared to the jet.
An MQ-9 Reaper has a cruise speed of ~300kph and can fly much slower than that while the Su-27 stalls at ~210kph
So if the drone operator gets the thing flying slow, the jet can't just fly in front of it but rather has to approach it close to gliding with its nose tilted upwards like in the video.
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u/jarpio Mar 16 '23
Russian pilots get like 1/3rd of the flight hours of American pilots. They are generally poor pilots as their performance in Ukraine has showed. Nobody has a mid air collision on purpose, even a slight one with a drone. Russians buzzing American aircraft over the Black Sea and getting dangerously close, fucking with the aircraft is nothing new. Colliding is new. And that’s pilot error 100%
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u/Bloodraeven Mar 16 '23
Honestly this new approach from the USA in being more transparent regarding intelligence is refreshing.
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u/ABoutDeSouffle Mar 16 '23
So Igor Pilotovich got lucky he didn't full on collide with the drone, considering the Reapers are large, it would have fucked up his Suchoi something bad.
Goes to show again and again the Russians are childish and irresponsible idiots.
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u/I_Am_Graydon Mar 16 '23
It’s not wash. He’s dumping fuel, likely hoping the drone’s engine ignites it. They wanted to take it down without shooting a missile at it. They’re trying to get the US to react so they can claim that the US fired the first shot.
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u/carpcrucible Mar 16 '23
There's an official statement on what happened so we don't have to guess
The collision occurred at approximately 7:03 A.M. local time, according to a press release from U.S. Europe Command (EUCOM). News about the incident had already begun to emerge with reports saying officials were working to determine whether or not the drone was shot down. The USAFE statement makes clear that this was not the case.
"The Russian Su-27 aircraft struck the propeller of the MQ-9, causing U.S. forces to have to bring the MQ-9 down in international waters," the press release explains. "Several times before the collision, the Su-27s dumped fuel on and flew in front of the MQ-9 in a reckless, environmentally unsound, and unprofessional manner."
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russian-su-27-collided-with-u-s-mq-9-over-black-sea
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u/Chef-Nasty Mar 16 '23
But you know Russia will tell its citizens this footage is fake and the drone clearly flew into the plane. Trust.
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u/ButtRobot Mar 16 '23
And in the comments a bunch of bots saying not to believe your lying eyes. Unbelievable.
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u/leaskovski Mar 16 '23
Links please.... Need a good laugh
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u/Excludos Mar 16 '23
Apart from the very obvious CGI, I'm failing to understand what they're even trying to show here. There's no erratic flying by the drone or anything in this video.
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u/HHHogana Mar 16 '23
...wat.
I can't believe they're pathetic enough to use a fucking simulator game to fake a footage.
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u/Chii Mar 16 '23
In this age of post-truth, where state actors could just "declare" a thing to be true, and is believed by the citizens, is something that i would've never imagined earlier in the internet age. I bet george orwell is turning in his grave at this point.
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u/SideburnSundays Mar 16 '23
They’re getting their asses kicked by Ukraine and they’re still stupid enough to think they can take on the US?
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u/John_YJKR Mar 16 '23
They know we aren't going to attack them over this. This is about information warfare which Russia has proven effective at over the last decade especially. They've realized they don't even need to present anything all that convincing at this point. They just need to deny and insist on a narrative to get traction.
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u/DrumminJ219 Mar 16 '23 edited Mar 16 '23
You never, EVER, go belly up on a target with positive rate closure, and inside a couple thousand feet. This appears to not be the exact result the RU pilot wanted, and seems more like it turned into a game of "how close can you get". At best the plan was to douse with fuel and throw it around in wake turbulence. Based on where it struck, it's a near miracle the flanker didn't ingest debris down the intakes, which tells me these guys are as undisciplined as we thought. There is definitely damage to the Flanker we don't see either, but apparently recoverable damage.
Bottom line: this is worse than what Russia is claiming. They would rather you think they intentionally brought it down than admit that they don't have control of their pilots.
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u/dtm85 Mar 16 '23
That was my first thought as a complete amateur in these matters. Watching the pilot fly this close to another object with the intakes coming that close looks suicidal. No idea what kind of shielding/filtering those intakes have but it certainly can't handle chomping off the back half of a surveillance drone.
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u/Kraxnor Mar 16 '23
Proof Russia just constantly lies first and asks questions later
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u/PikachuOfTheShadow Mar 16 '23
The US response has been incredibly reserved. The Russians clearly downed a US drone and then the Russians are officially saying that they're trying to recover it. I get that the US is avoiding to escalate things but at what point enough is enough. Russia is out of control and can't be reasoned with anymore.
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u/jonnyclueless Mar 16 '23
Just remember that Russia is losing aircraft on a regular basis during this war so they already look pretty incompetent from that.
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u/Low-HangingFruit Mar 16 '23
Talk softly but carry a big stick is the motto.
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u/MisterBadger Mar 16 '23 edited Mar 16 '23
No idea about everything they discussed, but evidently a polite yet direct admonition that Russia can "Fuck around and find out" at their own risk must have been offered.
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u/catsby90bbn Mar 16 '23
It certainly feels like a different response. Heck we released the footage insanely fast.
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u/Blazkowiczs Mar 16 '23
To be fair it's quite possibly the clearest evidence in video as it can possibly be.
Like watching a killer... well, kill someone on a video feed.
It quite literally clearly happened.
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u/Bad_Faith_Detector Mar 16 '23
I imagine most people didn't doubt the U.S. version of the story. Russia has proven over and over again that it can't be trusted. Any statement made by Russia should be dismissed as total bullshit at this point.
Always nice having video to silence the gullible who fall for it though.
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u/jdragon3 Mar 16 '23
The US lawyered this masterfully lmao. I swear they knew the denial would come from Moscow so they deliberately held off on releasing the evidence and let them look even stupider
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u/CndConnection Mar 16 '23 edited Mar 16 '23
Gotta love that the russian fly boys probably feel super pumped up about this like they totally owned the US and totally shit on their drone. You absolutely know there was a lot of vodka consumed over this.
Not realizing the whole world is looking at this like they are dumbasses and dumbasses that suck at flying too.
Hitting the drone was definitely not part of the plan at all, we know this because they were trying to light on fire by dumping fuel and tried many times with many passes.
Now the whole world has video proof of them fucking up and hitting the reaper. This whole situation would be a lot more dire and a lot more serious if that pilot had somehow died in the collision or both vehicles crashed in flames and it looked like a direct engagement.
But no, instead we just point and laugh at them sucking at flying and hitting a very visible very stable flying drone. What losers.
EDIT I wonder, will this spawn a new DCS challenge? lol
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u/Shadowbannersarelame Mar 16 '23
Russia insisted its warplanes didn’t hit the MQ-9 Reaper drone. Instead, it said the drone maneuvered sharply and crashed into the water following an encounter with Russian fighter jets that had been scrambled to intercept it near Crimea.
So the Russians were lying yet again about the events... big surprise.
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u/CosmicDave Mar 16 '23
Lol they waited for Russia to publicly lie about it then released the video.