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India is trying to get G20 countries to follow Putin's instruction not to refer to Russia's war in Ukraine as a 'war,' reports sa Russia/Ukraine
https://www.businessinsider.com/india-tries-stop-g20-calling-ukraine-invasion-war-2023-214.7k
u/HolyGig Feb 23 '23
Its one of the biggest and costliest wars we've seen this century. On what planet is it not a war? Even Putin slipped up and called it a war lol
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u/Joezev98 Feb 23 '23 •
Even Putin slipped up and called it a war lol
The other countries' representatives should just refer to it as "the situation which Putin called a war".
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u/theghostofme Feb 23 '23
I like this idea.
Putin's war formerly known as "special operation." We could go the full Prince route and encourage/demand the media call it Putin's War by using a special symbol that makes it uniquely Putin's War.
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u/handlebartender Feb 23 '23
Oh right. The war. The war on Ukraine, the war chosen especially to kill Ukrainians, Putin 's war. That war?
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u/apparentlynot5995 Feb 23 '23
Yes, that war. Pass the spinach puffs and a quick cup of coffee.
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u/cyanydeez Feb 23 '23
Can we call it the Putanic War?
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u/Cassereddit Feb 23 '23
The french would call it "La Guerre Putain"
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Feb 23 '23
Shouldn't have named poutine something that sounds so similar to whore then.
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u/morbidaar Feb 23 '23
Sunflower Rain
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u/Sweaty_Hardwood Feb 23 '23
I only want to see you makin' more sunflowers in Ukraine! Sunflower raaaain, sun flower raaaaaain.
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u/Joezev98 Feb 23 '23
Sunflower raaaain, sun flower raaaaaain.
**I move away from the mobiks to breath in
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u/Sweaty_Hardwood Feb 23 '23
Sunflower rain! Ukranians making RuZZians feel the pain. Sunflower rain!
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u/Mudwayaushka Feb 23 '23
Silly thing is that in Russian the word for ‘military’ is derived from the word for ‘war’. Effectively they are calling it a ‘special warring operation’ which makes it even more dissonant to then say it’s not a war.
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u/TheNothingAtoll Feb 23 '23
He should go right to jail.
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u/Appropriate-Ad6129 Feb 23 '23
Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.
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u/karimamin Feb 23 '23
*14843.97 Russian Rubles
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u/bigflamingtaco Feb 23 '23
Slowly opens window above second floor
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u/SomeWeirdoOnTheNet Feb 23 '23
"Come see the view. I will stand just a little behind you, for I am cold.... and so is Russia."
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u/wheresabner71 Feb 23 '23
Believe it or not: jail. Right away.
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u/funnyflywheel Feb 23 '23
We have the best politicians in the world. Because of jail.
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u/NightHawkRambo Feb 23 '23
Overstay your 'visit' in Ukraine? Jail right away, no trial no nothing.
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u/Big_Dinner3636 Feb 23 '23
You invade a country and genocide a people for no reason other than your own vanity? Believe it or not, jail, right away.
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u/nowtayneicangetinto Feb 23 '23
Jail? Nah, he needs to go straight to hell.
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u/ToddTen Feb 23 '23
Yeah, I'm kinda upset that Poopin is not gonna kill himself in a bunker surrounded by sycophants.
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u/DirtCallsMeGrandPa Feb 23 '23
Reportedly he is terrifed of the Muammar al-Qaddafi alternative. I'm hoping he has a 9mm on hand.
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u/its8up Feb 23 '23
G20 countries should not refer to the special operation in Ukraine as a war. Instead, they should refer to it as a special operation, but immediately after this reference they should play the video clip of Putin himself calling it a war. That should keep everyone happy.
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u/ottawadeveloper Feb 23 '23 edited Feb 23 '23
they should also use air quotes when saying "special operation".
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u/Sir_Goodwrench Feb 23 '23
Bring in Mike Myers as Dr. Evil to do that.
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u/brandonjslippingaway Feb 23 '23
'Ladies and gentlemen, I'm about to launch a "Special Military Operation," I bid you adieu!'
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u/cynical_euphemism Feb 23 '23
Oh, right. The “special operation” war. The “special operation” war for Ukraine. The “special operation” war chosen especially to invade and conquer Ukraine. The “special operation” war ON Ukraine. That war?
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u/Psychonauticalia Feb 23 '23
Nah, we should just continue to call it a war and both Russia and India can go fuck themselves.
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the us should start drone striking wagner group around the world as a special operation
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u/Thinking_waffle Feb 23 '23
We can call it "Putin's fucked up genocide attempt" if they really don't like the word "war"
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u/StuckieLromigon Feb 23 '23
This is not about common sense but about getting more bargains from russia for India. Children lives, thousands or millions of dead people are nothing, all that matters is cheap russian oil.
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u/some1elsepartially Feb 23 '23
I'm broad minded. I'd be open to "Campaign of mass murder".
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u/OakenGreen Feb 23 '23
A campaign of mass murder, genocide, and countless human rights violations.
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u/jackduloz Feb 23 '23
Can’t be war crimes if it’s not called a war.
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u/daphnegillie Feb 23 '23
Campaign of mass murder, Kidnapping and child trafficking, genocide, and rape.
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u/dapper_grocery6300 Feb 23 '23
Oh and child torture since they found those child torture chambers
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u/NoTime4LuvDrJones Feb 23 '23
Torture and rape of kids. Russian soldiers are monsters.
Russian troops have raped and tortured children in Ukraine, carried out a “large number” of executions and committed other war crimes, according to a United Nations investigation by legal experts. Mose, a Norwegian judge, said the commission has documented cases in which children have been "raped, tortured and unlawfully confined." “There are examples of cases where relatives were forced to witness the crimes," he added. "In the cases we have investigated, the age of victims of sexual and gendered-based violence ranged from 4 to 82 years."
Russia is using rape and sexual violence as part of its “military strategy” in Ukraine, a UN envoy said this week. “When you hear women testify about Russian soldiers equipped with Viagra, it’s clearly a military strategy,” Pramila Patten, UN Special Representative on Sexual Violence in Conflict, said in an interview with AFP on Thursday. She added that many cases involved children and also said that the true number of victims was likely to be far higher than official figures suggested because sexual crimes are often “under reported.” “There are many cases of sexual violence against children who are raped, tortured and sequestered,” Patten said.
Ukraine's ombudsman for human rights Lyudmyla Denisova says they're documenting several such cases. "About 25 girls and women aged 14 to 24 were systematically raped during the occupation in the basement of one house in Bucha. Nine of them are pregnant," she said. "Russian soldiers told them they would rape them to the point where they wouldn't want sexual contact with any man, to prevent them from having Ukrainian children." "A 25-year-old woman called to tell us her 16-year-old sister was raped in the street in front of her. She said they were screaming 'This will happen to every Nazi prostitute' as they raped her sister," Ms Denisova said.
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Well I guess the term "genocide" can be used as well.
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u/couchbutt Feb 23 '23 •
Stop.
You gonna give Modi a chub.
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u/curtyshoo Feb 23 '23
Why is he trying to curry flavor with Poutine?
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u/Staar-69 Feb 23 '23
Cheap oil, gas and coal… he’s also a sycophantic asshole.
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u/FiendishHawk Feb 23 '23 •
He’s also another one in the club of right-wing assholes.
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u/Headlessoberyn Feb 23 '23 •
There was clearly an attempt to make every massive country in the world fall to a neo-fascist regime simultaneously. The fact that most people are not talking about it, frightens me.
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u/FiendishHawk Feb 23 '23
It just seems so paranoid. But there’s a reason I fucking hate Russia despite previously being neutral/positive - because of their slimy fucking with our democracies.
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u/Prownilo Feb 23 '23
It's one of the reasons people are so all in for Ukraine's support, we are all sick of this guy constantly running psyops on the rest of the world, we are all the worse for it and we are sick of it.
he still thinks he's in the KGB, still fighting his own little war.
We're all tired of him. Of the world he has had such a huge hand in creating.
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u/FiendishHawk Feb 23 '23
It’s certainly the reason why liberals and the left are so hawkish on Ukraine. We are fed up of all the Lord Haw-Haws that Russia keeps foisting on us and driving conservatives batty.
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u/altxatu Feb 23 '23
I’m hawkish because it’s not okay to so clearly invade another country like this. Tbf I was this hawkish when it happened twice before with Russia.
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u/Aurora_Fatalis Feb 23 '23
The entire reason I was NATO-skeptical in the first place was that the US might elect a Putin of their own and do this kind of shit. They still might in the future and that's still concerning, but as of right now, even I will admit that NATO is unequivocally the good guys. Putins must be defeated, no matter where they arise.
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u/ReePoe Feb 23 '23
that smug smile alone is enough for my support against him, let alone the fact the west let him get away with way too much for so long, he litterally had people poisoned multiple times including killing inocents and we did nothing at all about it (UK) and that was jsut the recent stuff against us that made news. At the same time i am so glad we was just waiting for the right opertunity, and so was the rest of the world. F U pootin and all of your bots/spys and oligarchs!
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u/iConfessor Feb 23 '23
but its not paranoid at all. almost every leader was a rightwing fascist at the same time. brazil, uk, usa, the list goes on.
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u/FiendishHawk Feb 23 '23
Right. And all the same sort of egotistical blowhard as Trump. Russia has a “type”
Although Boris Johnson probably does not fit the pattern as while he is an egotistical blowhard he clearly fucking hates Russia. Probably because they will not stop sending assassins.
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u/TheNewHobbes Feb 23 '23
Boris appointed a kgb agent to the House of Lords.
He is also allegedly named after his father's kgb handler.
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u/browster Feb 23 '23
I agree, and yet, Brexit was Johnson's thing and fit with Putin's plans
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u/MAXSuicide Feb 23 '23
he clearly fucking hates Russia.
but he was happy to have a lot of Russian money flowing into his party's coffers, and his own pocket until they invaded Ukraine.
His Tory predecessors liked the Russian money, too.
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u/JohnHolts_Huge_Rasta Feb 23 '23
So fuck india
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u/Ramblonius Feb 23 '23
Modi is one of the biggest assholes of this era. Gets away with it because he's democratically elected.
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u/wastingvaluelesstime Feb 23 '23
earth to russian propaganda: drop dead
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u/couchbutt Feb 23 '23
Same to Modi.
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u/FastAshMain Feb 23 '23
Indians please, vote this piece of shit out of office before it's too late
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u/Arronax50 Feb 23 '23
Shit Americans say when they don't know India has been a Russia ally for decades and it won't change with Modi out.
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u/boraam Feb 23 '23
Got nepotist idiots in the opposition with no real hope of winning. We are screwed there.
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u/vpsj Feb 23 '23
Believe me.. we're trying. You know how Fox news is like in US right? Now imagine if every news channel was like Fox.. because that's what we have here.
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u/Emperormaxis Feb 23 '23
Didnt Putin call it a war several times now?
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u/Stonkthrow Feb 23 '23
G20 should start saying either "as Putin said, 'war' in Ukraine", showing to everyone that he did. Or "Putins special military operation", which will make it harder for Russia to attempt convincing anyone that it wasn't Russia who started the war. Since they boasted about it early on multiple times.
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u/philburns Feb 23 '23
We’ve instituted a mandatory draft of our male student population. Why? For the military exercise.
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u/FirstConsul1805 Feb 23 '23
"War - A state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state."
Ukraine and Russia are definitely and undeniably in a state of armed conflict.
Does any more need to be said?
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u/ash_ninetyone Feb 23 '23
When a country invades another country solely on the basis of committing cultural genocide and attempt to Russify its population, there's only one side to pick if you want to stop it happening elsewhere. If Putin succeeds in his war in Ukraine, Moldova would be next, and no doubt Georgia would climb that list too of countries to bring to heel, since both have decided their future is away from a country that brought oppression under the old empire of the USSR.
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u/vankorgan Feb 23 '23
And honestly, if he experienced no push back I would fully expect him to eventually try the same tact (creating a group of Russian "separatists" that must be "protected") in a NATO country like Latvia or Estonia.
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u/Prosthemadera Feb 23 '23
That would be a bad idea. Then we really get WW3.
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u/vankorgan Feb 23 '23
I mean, he's already risking ww3 by invading Ukraine after the promises made in the Budapest memorandum. In Putin's mind I believe the United States has their hands tied because he believes that we essentially will not risk nuclear war over the safety of our allies.
In my opinion, the tact that the Biden admin is taking, of supplying weapons and aid but refusing to commit military assistance walks the best line.
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u/YouMightDrown Feb 23 '23
Iirc one of putins former ministers leaked belarus woule be next, if they were to succeed in ukraine
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u/PizzaHuttDelivery Feb 23 '23
Lol, Putin, Earth is not russia where you can murder and intimidate whoever does not follow your idiotic propaganda.
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u/Pitiful_Amount8559 Feb 23 '23
Russia is so myopic and drunk they think if they get India, China and the other bad players to go along with their insanity. For cheap oil of course. They can say look it’s just Europe and their allies that don’t like us.
It’s just dumb semantics.
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u/leela_martell Feb 23 '23 edited Feb 23 '23
India will abandon Russia when it (Russia) is reduced more and more into a Chinese gas station. Some Indians seem to think Russia is a good friend to India but I don’t know what that is based on, Russia will obviously choose China any day over India.
But yes that is exactly what Russia is doing, in Africa and South America too. The West has obviously been no friend to other countries so I completely understand the resentment. However Ukraine never colonised anyone, the opposite in fact, other formerly colonised nations taking Imperial Russia’s side will never not be crazy to me (though I do get it people care more about themselves and their own history, this goes for every country and people in the world.)
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u/HilbertGrandHotel Feb 23 '23
Well, russia has supported many liberation/independence movements in third world, even if for selfish reasons. So they have gathered a significant maount of goodwill among populations, not to mention close ties with many leaders. Morover while comparisions with iraq seem like cheap whataboutism in west, russia paints it as the failure of rules based world order west is trying to defend. arguing that international law, arguing that rules based international order is basically a façade that applies only in the interests of western countries, and paints itself as fighting to break this order, which it argues serves no purpose but to perpetuate western hegemony. I obviously don't support those arguments, but i think it is better that we know how those arguments work and why they might resonate with some to better counter them.
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u/leela_martell Feb 23 '23 edited Feb 23 '23
I think people - not you but people in general - forget about Russia’s complicity in the Middle-East and surrounding regions. Maybe not Iraq specifically, though I’m pretty sure Russia was more supportive of that than half of Nato (Putin was all aboard “war on terrorism” cause it gave “credibility” to Russia’s wars against Muslim Chechnya.) But definitely Afghanistan and Syria, Caucasus and Central Asian regions.
What folks don’t know happened might as well have not. And of course people feel more positively towards other people’s colonisers than their own. What grinds my gears the most though are the Western commies who still choose to believe the USSR was anti-imperialist.
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lol….And here comes the army of Indian apologists
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u/AMeasuredBerserker Feb 23 '23
"But India is neutral and has nothing to do with Ukraine! Its the West's fault for supporting Pakistan!!!1! ...oh but India is still neutral... the West is the problem though!!" Blah blah blah.
You know its coming!
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u/MimeGod Feb 23 '23 •
In a practical sense, neutrality is the same as siding with the aggressor.
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u/snoofling Feb 23 '23
"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse, and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.” - Bishop Desmond Tutu, who spent his life fighting apartheid
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u/cpe111 Feb 23 '23
Even if I subscribed to what they are saying, fuck neutrality, that’s just a cowards way of getting someone else to fight your wars and defend you, especially when you have the advantage of geography in your side.
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u/Laxziy Feb 23 '23
I hate these filthy Neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand but with Neutrals, who knows? It sickens me. What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?
-Twenty-Five Star General Zapp Brannigan
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u/Timmmah Feb 23 '23
Kif, show them my medal.
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u/ksleepwalker Feb 23 '23
Its ironic when you realize Pakistan has actually been aiding Ukraine from the beginning, even before the current pro-US regime took over in mid-2022.
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u/Birdinhandandbush Feb 23 '23
Its really hurting India's feelings that we're saying they're supporting Russia's war on Ukraine. Couldn't we all just go along with saying "military exercise" so that the Indian government can sleep at night, pretty please?
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u/explorer_76 Feb 23 '23 edited Feb 23 '23
Whenever there's a thread critical of India the Modibots turn up en masse.
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u/deathdragon1987 Feb 23 '23
They're full mask off at this point
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u/CoachKoranGodwin Feb 23 '23
Russia is doomed and their (actual) defense analysts know it. Russia has massive leverage over the Indian defense sector because of India’s massive dependency on Russian weapons. The US wants India to be their counterweight to China but India is frankly not their yet, especially with this dependency.
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u/lord_sparx Feb 23 '23
Half the Indian "defense analysts" I've seen spouting off on twitter can't tell the difference between DCS world and reality.
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u/thedirtyfozzy84 Feb 23 '23
Really frustrates me how a group of people so much the victim of brutal colonialism can stand by and excuse that same colonialism being exercised on someone else.
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u/Primallama Feb 23 '23
Didn’t he just refer to it as a war in his most recent speech?
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u/ZedZero12345 Feb 23 '23
realpolitik at its best. When you buy India, they stay bought.
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u/Creative-Improvement Feb 23 '23
Falling in line for the glorious emperor of Russia, who wouldn’t want that! All hail the new emperors and dictatorships of all nations, warring demagogues! Since we all collectively forgot ww2 “never again” pretty much because everyone who went through that hellhole is dead.
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u/Omaestre Feb 23 '23
What is bizarre about all of this is that, by backing Putin they are more or less on the same side as China. Which I thought was a big no in Indian foreign politics.
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u/ImperialAndy Feb 23 '23
I honestly have nightmares of an authoritarian alliance between those three.
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u/trollu4life Feb 23 '23
China and India are at disputes and war with each other so that’s unlikely
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u/Tha_Sly_Fox Feb 23 '23
Indias relationship with Russia is complicated, like most international politics. India was a socialist nation for decades, a very poor socialist nation, the USSR always trying to help its fellow Marxist friends became a very important economic supporter of India and more importantly their main supplier of military weapons, which the remain to this day (can’t remember off the top of my head but something like 80% of Indias military is made up of Russian equipment), their entire military structure is dependent on Russian supplies. To make things more complicated, India was sort of snubbed by the west back in the day and the US tried to ally itself with Pakistan especially during the war on terror, Pakistan and India are mortal enemies so this didn’t help while at the same time Russia continued to be their best buddy.
Not excusing India, but still might help with the why.
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u/Darklight731 Feb 23 '23
Ah yes, because when two countries use all of their available military assets to defeat eachother, it is not a war.
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u/0nnyx Feb 23 '23
Next, "India asks that nobody from G20 criticizes Russia". Then what ? India asks everyone to praise russia, then reduce sanctions, then let Ukraine be taken ?
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u/knuppi Feb 23 '23
As we should be critical forwards China's policies, India is really running ahead placating Putin as much as they possibly can. They've been breaking records in how much money they've been sending into Russia while their much smaller neighbour Bangladesh recently decided to embargo Russian ships.
I only wish India would be scrutinized on the same level as China. Consistency is generally a good thing
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u/deadzip10 Feb 23 '23
We’re going to have to offer India a heck of a deal to get them out of Russia’s orbit. They’re mostly doing this stuff because all of their military equipment is Russian and they would need to wholesale replace it if they went the other direction. My guess is they would like to do that but the whole sale replacement of all military hardware is prohibitive at best. Between training and the sheer cost of replacement, it would probably take them decades to do that normally and they’ve got China (to say nothing of their historical rival Pakistan) on their doorstep which means they can’t sacrifice combat effectiveness for any real length of time. I’m not even really sure there’s a deal we could realistically offer them that would get it done so they’re stuck with what they’ve got and what they’ve got requires them to play nice with Putin right now. It’s a really unfortunate situation but hard to fault them for doing what’s necessary to maintain their security with China right next door.
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u/NorCalHermitage Feb 23 '23
What I find funny is that the US tried to refer to both Korea and Vietnam as "police actions". It didn't work then, either.
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u/evilleppy87 Feb 23 '23
Says the nation that dumps over 6 billion liters of untreated wastewater per day into their most "sacred" river.
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u/anti-DHMO-activist Feb 23 '23
The true youth fountain - step into it and you're not going to get old. Promise.
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u/Macasumba Feb 23 '23
The technology exists to treat the water before it is released. The government does not treat the water because they prefer untreated water.
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u/eedodroko Feb 23 '23
An explanation: according to the religion the Ganges is self cleaning because it is sacred, so literal shit stops being unclean when it touches these waters.
It is quite a surprising concept.
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u/Darth_Cartsalot Feb 23 '23
I don't even want to think about the people who drink it once a year.
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u/Internet-Cryptid Feb 23 '23
Does anyone know what moral and ethical arguments Indians use to justify their government's position? Russia is very literally committing genocide against the Ukrainians in an unprovoked war of imperial aggression - how do Indians spin this to be alright?
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u/Economy-Criticism-14 Feb 23 '23
I'm Indian. Most people here don't care about the war, same as most europeans likely don't think about ongoing conflict in Myanmar. If not for the economic effects of the war, most people here wouldn't even be aware about it.
From what anecdotal experience I have, people are supportive of buying and selling oil from Russia as that stabilized the currency and preserved the forex reserves. Other than that, people have their reasons to support and not support Modi and BJP(I oppose them FWIW) but Russia Ukraine war is likely not part of the discussion.
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u/Kramer-Melanosky Feb 23 '23
Also, until now India hasn’t made any actions like the article states. People here just want to believe the above article which is just speculation.
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u/anti-DHMO-activist Feb 23 '23
West is at fault -> west is bad -> russia is nice -> we're "neutral"
That's pretty much the "argument". Conveniently ignoring that neutrality also includes not directly supporting the invading country.
Also always funny (in a sad way) to see an anti-imperialistic country consistently act positively towards a power leading an imperialistic war of attack.
Add a cup of whataboutism and a pinch of nationalism and you've got yourself your very own pro-modi propagandist.
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u/consci0usness Feb 23 '23
Cheap oil has the moral high ground in India.
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u/marvinhal21 Feb 23 '23
That's not just India. Some countries pummelled certain other countries over it.
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u/globalminority Feb 23 '23
It's not about ethics and morals. It's more medieval. It's the perception of who's on our side and who's on the other side.
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u/Niawka Feb 23 '23
I always get irrationally angry when someone calls it a "conflict" and I immediately get suspicious of the person.
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u/dread_deimos Feb 23 '23
What's irrational about it?
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u/Niawka Feb 23 '23
You're right. I do get rationally angry when someone says conflict to describe Russian invasion and war in Ukraine.
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Congrats india! You got yourself a VIP pass to the losers club with Syria, Venezuela, Cuba, South Africa and Iran! You won’t believe all the cool perks and benefits that come with that (economic growth, stability, democratic values and wealth sold separately)
Edit: honorable mention, at the suggestion of the comments, of North Korea, Eritrea, and Belarus for their contributions to this grouping as well
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u/Ok_Estate394 Feb 23 '23
What’s really sad about S. Africa specifically is that a lot of S. Africans do not support the Russian war. Unlike the rest your list, S. Africa still has strong democratic institutions and journalism, so there’s more internal skepticism. I remember reading that Capetown’s mayor and local government are absolutely enraged that Russia is parking warships in their docks. Increasingly, it seems like there is a political rift between local governments and S.A.’s federal government, especially in cities controlled by the D.A. party.
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u/king_27 Feb 23 '23
Yep, we've been gatvol with our government for decades now and this is just making things even worse. The writing is on the wall for those corrupt fuckers so they're looting and pillaging what they can while they can. Nelson Mandela is spinning in his grave, I just wish we could attach dynamos to him so the country could have power at least
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u/STAMP_ON_MY_BALLS Feb 23 '23
A friend in SA was talking about this not so long ago and basically summed it up with "Nelson Mandela would be gouging his own eyes out if he could see what they have become"
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u/GlobalTravelR Feb 23 '23
Why is Russia still in the G20? Hasn't their GDP dropped enough to not have them be included?
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u/matt_mv Feb 23 '23 edited Mar 09 '23
Russia is still the 9th most populous country on earth, so their GDP is unlikely to drop out of the top 20 anytime soon. Before WWII they were 4th, which helps explain their dropoff as a world military power. Russia actually has less people than the Soviet Union did pre-WWII. They have the 9th highest GDP as of 2022.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal))
However, their GDP per capita is #61.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita_per_capita)
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u/seroleg Feb 23 '23
Russian here. It is called a political prostitution. Fuck war. Fuck Putin.
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Feb 23 '23
Ridiculous, Russia invaded Ukraine unprovoked. It’s a war and nothing else
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u/powercow Feb 23 '23
Id be annoyed but if you remember the bush admin used to browbeat our media, over calling iraq, a war, and not a police action. Back then we tried to control all the verbiage. POWS were illegal combatants. Mass collection of our telephone pen registers was just 'terrorist surveliance" and torture was enhanced interogations.
Fuck the clown called putin, but what we call this thing, is probably the least important issue in the entire thing.
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u/lostsanityreturned Feb 23 '23
I mean, sure... let's call it what it actually is "unprovoked invasion"
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u/TiminAurora Feb 23 '23
Invading another country is an act of war.... Sorry... You can look up the definition of an act of war.
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u/Kind-Detective1774 Feb 23 '23
Ok, we'll just refer to it as a genocide.
Clearly that's what he meant right?
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u/yeron42 Feb 23 '23
I guess they'll have to change the dictionary definition from "a state of armed conflict between different countries or different groups within a country."