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Memphis Grizzlies scorekeeper posting fraudulent numbers Misleading; Not the Scorekeeper

MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES SCOREKEEPER POSTING FRAUDULENT NUMBERS FOR DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR LEADER JAREN JACKSON JR.

I would like to bring to your attention the scorekeeper of the Memphis Grizzlies.  I was wondering how a solid defensive player can suddenly have some specific statistical categories that are completely off the charts.  I am referring to Jaren Jackson Jr., who, after having missed ~16 games to start the season due to off-season foot surgery immediately started having extreme outlier high steals + blocks statistics, leading the entire NBA in blocks per game by a wide margin.  In fewer minutes per game than other players Jaron Jackson repeatedly gets outlandish block numbers at home.

I decided to take a closer look at his games and IMMEDIATELY 1 thing became crystal clear.  At home in Memphis he has 66 blocks in 16 home games, averaging 4.13 blocks per game, versus just 35 in 16 road games, averaging 2.19 in nearly identical minutes- an 89% increase in Memphis.  In home games he has been credited with 22 steals in 16 home games, versus only 10 steals in 16 road games.  This means he is averaging nearly 1.4 steals per game at home, but just 0.63 steals on the road per game- an astounding 120% increase in Memphis.  In home games he has been credited with 88 blocks + steals, versus 45 on the road.  This equates to an average of an outlandish 5.5 blocks+steals at home in limited minutes versus a reasonable and realistic, and still outstanding, 2.81 steals+blocks per game on the road.  This equates to a 1.96X home stat increase only in these 2 categories.  A 96% increase in performance specifically at home is truly an aberration which should be reviewed.  This demonstrates the sort of incredulous statistics which calls for serious analysis.

Just 3 out of his 14 games this season with 5+ blocks+steals have come on the road.  8 out of 9 of his 6+ steals+blocks games have been recorded in Memphis.  I decided to watch 2 memphis grizzlies games where he had one of his ludicrous 8+ blocks+steals games.  By my count he actually had 3 fewer "stocks"(some people refer to steals+blocks as stocks) than he was credited for by the home scorekeeper.  I wonder if the scorekeeper has some sort of vested interest in Jaren Jackson getting maximum high value defensive statistics that he thinks he can get away with putting down into the box score. 

Jaren Jackson in July - mid November started as high as +10,000 for DPOY at certain sportsbooks after the Grizzlies announced he had undergone a procedure to address a stress fracture in his right foot and would be sidelined for 4-6 months.  Now, in large part thanks to these blatantly wrong statistics, he is a huge odds on favorite at higher than -200.

I conducted some analysis on all 78 games jaren jackson played last season... my hypothesis was that his home/road difference on steals & blocks would both be small.  He had 90 blocks in Memphis and 87 blocks on the road.  He had 39 steals in Memphis and 34 steals on the road.  He had 129 "stocks" in Memphis vs. 121 "stocks" on the road.  BPG was actually 12.7% lower on the road(he played 4 fewer home games) while steals+blocks/game was 15% lower on the road- higher than i expected, but reasonable given all the differences for Memphis when playing at home vs on the road, from their home/away record difference to crowd noise to effort/energy/intensity exerted by players, etc. 90%+ higher in Memphis, however, as is the case this season, is NOT REASONABLE AND COMPLETELY UNREALISTIC.  My educated guess is that the Memphis scorekeeper(s) have been changed since last season and/or ULTERIOR MOTIVES, INCENTIVES are now in play with respect to JJJ's defensive statistics.

Why is this happening so blatantly to the point where a person can just look at Jaren Jackson Jrs. steals+blocks #s on the box score and determine with a high level of confidence whether that game was played on the road or in Memphis is the next question...

Three potential explanations, only one of which is innocent:

  1. Jaren Jackson plays MUCH MUCH MUCH harder at home and hustles like a maniac and focuses on stealing and blocking shots like crazy in Memphis, causing his numbers to be skewed in an absurd manner even compared to his regular highly efficient top 3- but realistic, road numbers. This can almost certainly be discounted because i looked at his other statistics and everything from his minutes per game to points per game to rebounds per game and even fouls are close in terms of home/away splits.

  2. The Memphis scorekeeper is a huge Jaren Jackson Jr. fan and is purposely imbellishing his steals & blocks, since that is much easier to do than points or rebounds, for instance.  When he contests a shot well, but does not touch the ball, perhaps the scorekeeper purposely gives him the undeserved stat and donates blocks to him where none occurred, for instance.

  3. It should also be investigated in this age of fantasy basketball and gambling on sports whether this scorekeeper and/or his family and friends bet on Jaren Jackson to win the defensive player of the year award at super long odds and as a result has a tremendous financial incentive to juice and fake a player's 2 most valuable defensive statistics- BLOCKS and STEALS, which are also the easiest to fudge #s on because it is often most difficult to definitively label steals and blocks without slow motion on at least some of the plays in question.

I and all NBA fans would appreciate a thorough investigation into this matter.  It is important to have 100% integrity in statistics not only for things such as fantasy sports, sportsbetting, futures wagers, but even more importantly to ENSURE THE INTEGRITY OF THE GAME FOR ALL.  This is mandatory to be able to compare players' statistics versus other players now in the league fairly as well as across seasons and know the numbers are accurate, correct, and not unfairly manipulated by home arena scorekeepers.

I decided to watch just a few of the Grizzlies' recent games and immediately started noticing a pattern: Plays at FedEx arena in Memphis constantly being scored wrongly to gift Jackson extra steals and blocks which never occurred.  Simply put, if a shot does not hit the rim or it otherwise looks bad somehow, and Jaren Jackson is either contesting the shot or close to the action, he is credited with FRAUDULENT blocks repeatedly.  Sometimes this is achieved by taking away the stat from his teammates. Other times, an opposing player simply loses the ball or shoots a contested shot way off target, but Jackson nevertheless is credited with steals & blocks that never occurred in both instances.  Also, when he deflects a ball and it goes to a teammate he is credited with the steal.  When his teammate deflects the ball and it goes to him he is STILL credited with the steal IN MEMPHIS.  When he tips or deflects a ball, but never gains possession nor do the Grizzlies, he is still awarded a steal.

The following is just a very small % of questionable or outright WRONG steals and blocks given to Jackson:

Example #1 New Orleans Pelicans @ Memphis Grizzlies Saturday 12/31 7mins, 21 sec remaining in the 2nd quarter Zion drives to the basket, NEVER shoots the ball, and loses it. "Williamson in a crowd, ball pops free, picked up by Tyus Jones, turnover number 9 by the pelicans" announcers say.  Scorekeeper in Memphis graded the play as Jaren Jackson Jr. blocks Zion Williamson's 3-foot driving layup

Example #2 Utah Jazz @ Memphis Grizzlies Sunday 1/8 10:09 remaining in the 1st quarter Jordan Clarkson throws a bad pass directly to Desmond Bane and Jaren Jackson for some odd reason is credited with the steal.  Bane actually steals the ball.

Example #3 Utah Jazz @ Memphis Grizzlies Sunday 1/8 1:46 remaining in the 4th quarter Kelly Olynyk loses the ball while being defended by Xavier Tillman.  The ball then bounces off Tillman and Jaren Jackson before being picked up by Tillman. The steal should be credited to Tillman.  Memphis scorekeeper grades the play as Jaren Jackson Jr. steals

Example #4 Phoenix Suns @ Memphis Grizzlies Monday 1/16 7:02 remaining in the 4th quarter Brandon Clarke blocks Saban Lee's layup, but the Memphis scorekeeper instantly gives the block to nearby Jaren Jackson Jr.

Example #5 Cleveland Cavaliers @ Memphis Grizzlies Wednesday 1/18 11:48 remaining in the 2nd quarter Lamar Stevens, who Jaren Jackson helps on, loses the ball and Desmond Bane picks it up and gains possession.  The Memphis scorekeeper gave steal to Jaren Jackson.

Example #6 Detroit Pistons @ Memphis Grizzlies Friday, December 9th 39 seconds remaining in the 2nd quarter Jackson deflects a pass and never gains possession, saved back to Detroit player. Memphis scorekeeper gives a steal to Jackson.

Example #7 Oklahoma City Thunder @ Memphis Grizzlies Wednesday, December 7th 10:38 4th quarter Jackson saves out of bounds ball directly to Thunder player underneath basket for quick score, but gets credited with a steal.

Thank you very much for reading this.  I would appreciate well thought out responses, a good discussion, and also advice on how someone in charge at the NBA can investigate these plays as well as others from Grizzlies games, and the dishonest Memphis scorekeeper.  Also, can obviously fraudulent statistics be deleted, corrected & reversed weeks/months later?

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u/banjogerba Bulls Jan 28 '23

With even further implications this report doesn't mention, in my fantasy league 2 weeks ago I lost to a guy with JJJ by 2 blocks

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u/bayless4eva 76ers Jan 28 '23

Go to the commish with this post lmao

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u/Chonkbird Jan 28 '23 edited Jan 28 '23

I'm just commenting here so I'm immortalized when this thread gets wiki'd and/or media attention

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u/rtb001 Trail Blazers Jan 28 '23

Like when Vegas literally pulls DPOY from their books within hours of this post going live?

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u/TaroMilkTea5 Jan 28 '23

I had a guy come from 4th place in blocks to now 1st in the span of time JjJ has been back smh

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u/MeijiDoom Jan 28 '23

I'm basically that guy in my league. JJJ has been a godsend for defensive stats but even I was thinking they were a bit outlandish.

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u/vance_jacob Rockets Jan 28 '23

Statistician during interrogation:

“Everyone hold on, are you telling me not everyone on the team is named Jaren Jackson?”

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u/Life_Of_High Raptors Jan 28 '23

“Sorry officer, I… didn’t know I couldn’t do that.”

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u/Chardavious12 Lakers Jan 28 '23

Well now you know!!! Now get out of here

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u/oldskoolchevy 76ers Jan 28 '23

we’re not gonna take it

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u/The_SqueakyWheel Knicks Jan 28 '23

“Are you sure thats not JJJ? They all look the same”

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u/Username3009 [MEM] Mike Conley Jan 28 '23

"Was that wrong? Should I have not done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, ‘cause I've worked on a lot of teams and I tell you people do that all the time."

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u/AmateurGameMusic Celtics Jan 28 '23

The scorekeeper is now sweating bullets

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u/solo1181 Jan 28 '23

Sweating wizards is the correct term

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u/Sliiiiime Suns Jan 28 '23

Could easily be some jail time in the cards if he has money on JJJ making all nba/Dpoy honors

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u/holman8a Jan 28 '23

I’d say match prop bets would be more profitable, 2+ steals and 2+ blocks would be a healthy return over several games

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u/ApplaudingOkra 76ers Jan 28 '23

Probably, but most books have lower limits on props and I bet his play wouldn’t be welcome at some of these places pretty quickly.

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u/kevco Jan 28 '23

There’s a non-zero chance that this might be an organized crime with external people invested.

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u/SuitableRhubarb Warriors Jan 28 '23

He wouldn't even know yet I bet. That's the best part! We know of his impending doom and he's still blissfully ignorant of what's coming to him.

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u/Caedus Knicks Jan 28 '23

I'm reminded of that PR lady who posted something racist on Twitter about AIDS in Africa and immediately hopped on a 10 hour flight. There were people tracking the flight.

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u/tb23tb23tb23 Jan 28 '23

Man I forgot about that. How did all that turn out?

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u/Caedus Knicks Jan 28 '23

There's a good article about it in the NYT. I'll unlock it since I'm a subscriber.

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u/ProgrammingPants Jan 28 '23

Damn that's so nice of you. Didn't know you could do that. Pretty good article too

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u/HundredPacer Hornets Jan 28 '23

Thanks for unlocking/sharing that article; it was an interesting read.

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u/romeo_echo Jan 28 '23

Holy smokes how did you do that?? thank you! I just read it. Can you teach my mom how to unlock them? 😅 she loves sending paywall stuff

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u/set_null Jan 28 '23

There should be an option to “gift” the article from a subscriber to a non-subscriber when you go to post it, something like 5 or 10 per month. I have a similar thing with the Washington Post. Wall Street Journal doesn’t seem to have the option.

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u/MattyT7 Grizzlies Jan 28 '23

Thanks for sharing! I’ve read it before, but that’s a great article

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u/PrinceOfAssassins Jan 28 '23

He got greedy by pumping the numbers too much. if he did this a little less JJJ could have narrowly gotten the award potentially and he’d still be good

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u/MXero1 Jan 28 '23

He needs these big numbers otherwise JJJ would not win due to games played and minutes played (fouls too much) compare to the other candidates.

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u/batman2001 Raptors Jan 28 '23

Itd be super easy for the scorekeeper to bet on overs for jjjs steals and blocks. It could be way easier than betting on him for dpoy

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u/kabman7 Bucks Jan 28 '23

Jjj 2 blocks,1 three was basically free money

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u/CoaBret Knicks Jan 28 '23

Over 4.5 Blocks&Steals had to have been ridiculous money as well and this sicko had him AVERAGING 5.5 at home 😭

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u/The_SqueakyWheel Knicks Jan 28 '23

Its so crazy bro. He is twice as good defensively at home. JJJ is so good he looks at passes and they get recorded as blocks 😂

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u/ForoaKlanD NBA Jan 28 '23

In that same line, imagine how much money OP would've made if he capitalized on this instead of bringing it to the public. Good on him for having ethics.

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u/Ryantorb Warriors Jan 28 '23

Yeah but this is a lock for top posts of r/nba of the year, would you rather have lots of money or Reddit immortality

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u/crunchsmash Jan 28 '23 edited Jan 29 '23 Gold Narwhal Salute

I don't have time to give my full thoughts on this, but here's clips from each example

Example 1
Example 2
Example 3
Example 4
Example 5
Example 6
Example 7

Example 6 was counted as steal, then a pass to turnover in quick succession. Example 7 looks like he is counted for the steal for the tap to his teammate who loses control.

edit: For those asking, I used the-high-low.com to search for the clips so easily. /u/mostlyforlurking made the website so send them some love

Here's the clips of every credited Jaren Jackson Jr. steal and block this season

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u/abcbass Jan 28 '23

Thanks man. Damn, some of these are pretty blatant.

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u/TheRed_Knight Jan 28 '23

first take when?

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u/rW0HgFyxoJhYka Jan 28 '23

We about to find out how corrupt things really are...for the 55th time!

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u/Whiz_with Jan 28 '23

I'm sure my comment will be lost somewhere in here, but one of my good friends and old college roommates is an official scorekeeper, in the NBA, right now. I sent him this link and while he hasn't looked at all of the plays yet, he was a little surprised. He stated that they have 6 different camera angles, just around the basket, that they review for blocks, rebounds, steals, assists and made baskets (mostly in regards to potential tip ins). I can say with absolute certainty that my friend would never pull this crap, he's far too ethical and is honestly great for that job. He told me he would get back to me later today when he looks at all of them. He did say the first one with Zion he could see how MAYBE the back angle shows Jackson getting his right hand on the ball when Zion starts to go up. He stated that this would count as a block, if verified by the rear angle. That being said, it's still playing fast and loose with the rules if so. I'm very interested in hearing back from him later today.

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u/karaethon1 Lakers Jan 28 '23

Can you ask you friend about what the protocol is when there is some room for interpretation. For example 2 players block a shot at the same time so there’s a block for sure.

I believe in this case even the grizzlies scorekeeper is awarding a fulll block to jjj over the other player

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u/Whiz_with Jan 28 '23

Yes, I can do that. I’m sure there is some wiggle room/margin of error for plays as you described. NBA should implement a half block like the half sack rule in the NFL if so, in my opinion.

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u/SOB200 Nets Jan 28 '23

Sure.

But the splits (hard count) is really skewed. You’re not talking about a 1-2% margin of difference.

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u/marathonwater Jan 28 '23

Somebody is fuckedddd

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u/craigslistaddict Jan 28 '23 edited Jan 28 '23 Gold Take My Energy

Example #1 New Orleans Pelicans @ Memphis Grizzlies Saturday 12/31 7mins, 21 sec remaining in the 2nd quarter Zion drives to the basket, NEVER shoots the ball, and loses it. "Williamson in a crowd, ball pops free, picked up by Tyus Jones, turnover number 9 by the pelicans" announcers say.  Scorekeeper in Memphis graded the play as Jaren Jackson Jr. blocks Zion Williamson's 3-foot driving layup

https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=249&GameID=0022200543&Season=2022-23&flag=1&title=MISS%20Williamson%203%27%20Driving%20Layup

pbp has zion miss, jjj block

Example #2 Utah Jazz @ Memphis Grizzlies Sunday 1/8 10:09 remaining in the 1st quarter Jordan Clarkson throws a bad pass directly to Desmond Bane and Jaren Jackson for some odd reason is credited with the steal.  Bane actually steals the ball.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=23&GameID=0022200600&Season=2022-23&flag=1&title=Clarkson%20Bad%20Pass%20Turnover%20(P1.T1)

pbp has clarkson bad pass turnover, jjj steal

Example #3 Utah Jazz @ Memphis Grizzlies Sunday 1/8 1:46 remaining in the 4th quarter Kelly Olynyk loses the ball while being defended by Xavier Tillman.  The ball then bounces off Tillman and Jaren Jackson before being picked up by Tillman. The steal should be credited to Tillman.  Memphis scorekeeper grades the play as Jaren Jackson Jr. steals

https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=687&GameID=0022200600&Season=2022-23&flag=1&title=Olynyk%20Lost%20Ball%20Turnover%20(P5.T21)

pbp has olynyk lost ball turnover, jjj steal

Example #4 Phoenix Suns @ Memphis Grizzlies Monday 1/16 7:02 remaining in the 4th quarter Brandon Clarke blocks Saban Lee's layup, but the Memphis scorekeeper instantly gives the block to nearby Jaren Jackson Jr.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=564&GameID=0022200663&Season=2022-23&flag=1&title=Jackson%20Jr.%20BLOCK%20(4%20BLK)

pbp has d.lee driving layup miss, jjj block

Example #5 Cleveland Cavaliers @ Memphis Grizzlies Wednesday 1/18 11:48 remaining in the 2nd quarter Lamar Stevens, who Jaren Jackson helps on, loses the ball and Desmond Bane picks it up and gains possession.  The Memphis scorekeeper gave steal to Jaren Jackson.

https://www.nba.com/game/cle-vs-mem-0022200672/play-by-play?period=Q2

pbp has stevens lost ball turnover, jjj steal

Example #6 Detroit Pistons @ Memphis Grizzlies Friday, December 9th 39 seconds remaining in the 2nd quarter Jackson deflects a pass and never gains possession, saved back to Detroit player. Memphis scorekeeper gives a steal to Jackson.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=366&GameID=0022200383&Season=2022-23&flag=1&title=Jackson%20Jr.%20STEAL%20(2%20STL)

pbp has this as jjj steal, jjj bad pass turnover, hayes steal

Example #7 Oklahoma City Thunder @ Memphis Grizzlies Wednesday, December 7th 10:38 4th quarter Jackson saves out of bounds ball directly to Thunder player underneath basket for quick score, but gets credited with a steal.

https://www.nba.com/game/okc-vs-mem-0022200368/play-by-play?period=Q4

no clip for this, pbp has giddey bad pass turnover, jjj steal, jjj bad pass turnover, omoruyi steal

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '23 edited Jan 28 '23

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u/GGezpzMuppy Spurs Jan 28 '23

Need someone to do a deep dive and go through all Grizzlies game play by play

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u/gdawg99 Raptors Jan 28 '23

Jomboy Astros vibes

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u/throwawayshirt Trail Blazers Jan 28 '23

bang bang

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u/GundDownDegenerate Thunder Jan 28 '23

I wonder how long it takes Vegas to adjust JJJ dpoy odds

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u/elonepb Brooklyn Nets Jan 28 '23

The DPOY isn't even the one I'd be thinking of it's the prop betting for JJJ steals and blocks. He could make a fortune every home game from this type of control.

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u/Turbo2x Wizards Jan 28 '23

I was wondering why the box scorer for the Grizzlies home games had an iced out Rolex. Now we know!

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u/SportsRadioAnnouncer Pacers Jan 28 '23

I just bet $50 spread across the 2nd 3rd and 4th favorites to win.

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u/GundDownDegenerate Thunder Jan 28 '23

Nick Claxton at +700, Brooke Lopez at +800, Bam at +900

Damn, that looks pretty good.

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u/RashestPine Raptors Jan 28 '23

just to update with some dk odds, claxton now 390, bam 400, lopez at 650 lol

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u/AspiringDegen Jan 28 '23

Managed to sneak in some futures on claxton +1600 on barstool. As of typing this comment he’s still at +1000

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u/the_hibachi Nuggets Jan 28 '23

Odds already swung hard since this comment. This is real.

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u/ItsBobLoblawsLawBlog 76ers Jan 28 '23

Omg JJJ is now +110 on FD, changed in the last few hours

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u/-80watt- Cavaliers Jan 28 '23

And Bam has moved from +900 to +500 in a few hours

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u/DLottchula Thunder Jan 28 '23

I'm about to tell my gambling friends too do the same

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u/AFatz Jan 28 '23

He was -250 earlier today. Now he's at +650 at the time I posted this comment. Someone in Vegas saw this post.

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u/yoitsthatoneguy NBA Jan 28 '23

Should absolutely grab him at +650, he's still going to win

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u/AcanthisittaGrand943 Jan 28 '23

Yoooo wtf! This needs to be investigated by the nba asap. People who are doing this should be losing their jobs.

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u/snakebit1995 Jan 28 '23

How does the NBA not just have their own official scorekeepers that work for the league office and not the teams

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u/Dewy_Wanna_Go_There Jan 28 '23

That’s what I, apparently incorrectly, assumed they had been doing this whole time…

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u/DLottchula Thunder Jan 28 '23

we might uncover some madness or one fan doing crazy shit for the home team

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u/WIN011 [MIL] Giannis Antetokounmpo Jan 28 '23

Holy shit a few of these aren't even remotely close.

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u/Buck_Nastyyy Grizzlies Jan 28 '23

Woah thanks for posting

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u/ThundermifflinTFU Thunder Jan 28 '23

Anyone else having the videos not play for them? All I see is a black square.

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u/VeryDrained Suns Jan 28 '23

this is insane, what the fuck

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u/SnuggleMuffin42 [BOS] Marcus Smart Jan 28 '23

u/AdMassive6666, you should link those in the post, use these links.

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u/saideeps NBA Jan 28 '23

The weird part is some of these stats are stolen from his teammates. Only jjj benefits from this not Memphis as a whole.

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u/Lebran2 Jan 28 '23

In these examples yes, but a couple of comments have said they watched other games to check this out and there are clear examples of "very well and closely contested shots" being marked up as blocks. The kind of thing you could get away with as a scorekeeper.

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u/BullShitting24-7 San Francisco Warriors Jan 28 '23

And he would have gotten away with it if not for these meddling redditors.

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u/Usual_Adhesiveness92 Suns Jan 28 '23 edited Jan 28 '23

Damn homie brought the receipts

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u/SwarleyJr Bulls Jan 28 '23

This is legitimately a scandal.

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u/Buck_Nastyyy Grizzlies Jan 28 '23

Yea it is. This has a lot of implications.

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u/OguguasVeryOwn Raptors Jan 28 '23 Faith In Humanity Restored

If it’s option 3 and the scorekeeper is gambling on DPOY I hope the media takes a hard look at the unintended consequences of gambling on sports. Because Silver and others deserve to be held accountable for how hard they’ve pushed gambling partnerships and revenue.

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u/fireinthesky7 Pelicans Jan 28 '23

I have a hard time believing it's anything else. When OP mentioned the preseason odds of Jackson getting DPOY, my immediate thought was "they bet on him and have their thumbs on the scale."

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u/given2fly_ Jazz Jan 28 '23

We've had gambling on sports here in the UK for a long time, and honestly it's fucking terrible. We've had news stories about addicts getting into stupid amounts of debt, committing suicide...but their accounts are still being pummelled with offers from the bookies.

And with spot betting we've seen scandals like players purposefully getting yellow cards in Football or bowling intentional wides in Cricket. Especially at the lower level where its professional but not millionaire players.

Sports betting is horrible. A scourge on sport, and its everywhere. 60% of clubs in the top 2 divisions of English football have a betting company as their main sponsor.

It doesn't surprise me to see it catching on in the US...I'm just surprised it took this long to legalise it.

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u/illzkla 76ers Jan 28 '23

...is he in danger??

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u/DallasMavs817 Jan 28 '23

Well you certainly wouldn't be in any danger

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u/illzkla 76ers Jan 28 '23

So he is in danger!

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u/Jacob_toasted Timberwolves Jan 28 '23

I’m surprised this hasn’t been noticed until now, seems like someone would have picked up on it lol

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u/SnuggleMuffin42 [BOS] Marcus Smart Jan 28 '23

I mean, someone just did. It's only 32 total games, which is just the right amount of sample size to work with. Someone needed to do the legwork like OP though.

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u/CrimsonOffice [DEN] Nikola Jokic Jan 28 '23

Yeah, massive props to OP.

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u/MadeByTango Jan 28 '23

This is about to completely shake the sports gambling world. It's already spreading everywhere.

OP just fucked the NBA's entire stats history. You can't trust anything when other teams could simply have been doing a better job hiding the home stat fudging.

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u/_Apatosaurus_ Jan 28 '23

If you actually track any of the stats that are even mildly subjective, you'll notice that home cooking the books is bizarrely common in the nba. Assists are by far the worst. Some scorekeepers give their star PGs assists any time they pass it to someone who scores.

A few years ago, someone on reddit looked at assist today's, and it was drastically higher at home games. Here is the chart

Blocks are really common too. I'd encourage everyone to track a few players stats next time you watch a game. You'll notice they are regularly wrong too.

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u/JMEEKER86 [NBA] Kobe Bryant Jan 28 '23

There was even an interview with a former scorekeeper that talked about this.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090929080417/http://deadspin.com/5336974/how-an-nba-scorekeeper-cooked-the-books

In January 1997, the Lakers' Nick Van Exel handed out 23 assists in a 95-82 victory over Vancouver, a feat less attributable to his sharpshooting teammates than to the numbers-fudging Lakers fan working the Grizzlies' scorer's table.

Last month, someone on the APBRmetrics forum — an APBRmetrician, for the uninitiated, is a sabermetrician in a Wes Unseld throwback jersey — posted a friend's account of life as an NBA scorekeeper, mostly as an illustration of all the bias and sanctioned bullshit afflicting even the most straightforward basketball statistics. It's fascinating. This fellow says he was formerly the Grizzlies' head "stats accumulation guy," and, to hear him tell it, the teams and the league see their official statisticians almost as an arm of their marketing departments. Plump up some numbers, and SportsCenter might just bring itself to show a Grizzlies highlight.

At one point, the guy reviewed his colleagues around the league. He found that the typical NBA stat crew averaged about 20 unintentional errors per game — "missing events, wrong players getting credit unintentionally."

Anyway...on top of that ~20 errors per game, you have over double that in intentional errors. By intentional errors, I mean events that never happened (eg. loose ball rebound is deflected out of bounds by visiting team, instead of correct call - team rebound home team - you award the rebound to a home player in the viscinity...or fake blocks - among the easiest things to make up, next to steals and assists)...or events that are awarded to the wrong player (rebounds, steals, turnovers are the most common). The intentional errors are organizationally sanctioned/encouraged - they increase national media coverage/interest and increase your franchise's and player's visibility. There is also league pressure to protect/enhance the stats of the elite players. For example, I would guess that Stockton got between 1 and 2 assists per game for free.

Which is how, one night in Vancouver, Nick Van Exel nearly tied Magic Johnson's team record for assists in a game.

Partly because I disagreed with the blatant stat manipulation (that I did) and partly because I'm a Laker fan, I gave Nick Van Exel like 23 assists one game. If he was vaguely close to a guy making a shot, I found a way to give him an assist. Afterwards, I fully expected someone to talk to me about it. Indeed they did. A senior management guy - "great job Alex, that'll get this game on Sportscenter tomorrow morning!" We (VAN) lost badly, of course.

This went both ways. The anonymous scorekeeper reports that he once penalized Dikembe Mutombo simply because he didn't like him. Man does not block in the house of the vindictive scorekeeper.

I also got bitched out by an Atlanta management guy because he felt I hadn't hooked Mutombo up enough w/ blocks in a particular first half. (I hadn't - I didn't like him because he was partly responsible for beating the Sonics and because I thought he was a bit of a punk so I made sure he didn't get a singly block that I wasn't sure he'd gotten - which was one in that half.) I told the management guy that the box score reflected the game and if Mutombo wanted more blocks, he needed to earn them. About 5 minutes later, Deke walked out for pregame warmups, asked the official scorer (the person who enters fouls and points in the archaic official scorebook) who does stats, she kindly pointed him to me, and he proceeded to glare at me for about a minute (which is, imo, a really long time for a gigantic man to glare at you). I want to say he blocked three 2nd-half shots and after each one, he made a point of, um, ensuring that I'd gotten them.

Now, if any of this is true and as widespread as the guy suggests, it's obviously a problem for a league working assiduously to convince fans it's not some rigged carny game. Otherwise, everything gets called into question. Did Scott Skiles really hand out 30 assists? Did Elmore Smith really block 17 shots in a game? Did Don MacLean really have an NBA career, or was he just some scorekeeper's generous fudge?

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u/shine-- Jan 28 '23

This is pretty fucked

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u/BoopasaurusRex___ Warriors Jan 28 '23

Did Don Mclean really have an NBA career?

Ouch lmao

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u/mastermind208 Jan 28 '23

It's funny though, we take a lot of statistical anomalies at face value all the time. I wonder if there's been similar instances before that nobody just bothered to look up

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u/YouStillTakeDamage Heat Jan 28 '23

I’ve seen some people say that the Jazz scorekeepers likely helped pad Stockton’s assists a little bit, but I don’t think many have done a deep dive into it like OP did here

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u/Jacob_toasted Timberwolves Jan 28 '23

Brb gonna watch 15,000 assists, then I’ll report back

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u/gdawg99 Raptors Jan 28 '23

It's been 11 minutes, are you done yet?

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u/CrimsonOffice [DEN] Nikola Jokic Jan 28 '23

Yes. I concluded Utahnians are salty

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u/RunAndDunkMan Jan 28 '23

Grizzlies really trying to speedrun becoming the most hated team lol

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u/5IVE5TAR5 Jan 28 '23

Give it another month and the 78 year old lady giving out free napkins at Memphis games will be sus.

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u/Freddedonna Raptors Jan 28 '23

I heard they put PEDs in the concession stand nachos

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u/sbstooge Grizzlies Jan 28 '23

Like we needed more reasons for people to hate us, now even the scorekeepers are putting us in the crossfire

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u/TheRed_Knight Jan 28 '23

been a rough day for Memphis in general

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u/this_is_my_9to5 Kings Jan 28 '23

This is some prime r/nba investigation, pull out the pitchforks boys and girls

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u/JohnHamFisted Jan 28 '23 edited Jan 28 '23

Honestly seeing how important stats are in the NBA for absolutely everything from contracts, to awards, to betting, records, legacy, etc....I find it way too risky to leave teams in control of their own. It'd be like allowing teams to have their own refs.

The league should provide stat counting personnel along with refs and officials, and these should be neutral/unbiased with relation to both teams.

I think a deepdive into home-bias counting would probably change the vast majority of established records.

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u/Wontonsoupz Warriors Jan 28 '23

Completely agree, I don’t understand how that’s not implemented already with all the money that can be made along with the bias of boosting your teams and players numbers

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u/thomfountain Bucks Jan 28 '23

I’ve always thought that was wild. Scorekeeper and clock operator should be part of the ref team, be independent, and be randomly assigned games they travel to.

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u/LaArmadaEspanola Suns Jan 28 '23

Aside from all that stuff, the NBA is all in on gambling as well.

This is essentially fucking with the book’s money, and they take that shit SUPER seriously. I wouldn’t be surprised in the short term if JJJ prop odds were pulled for home games until this is sorted out.

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u/RavingMalwaay Raptors Jan 28 '23

Imagine if he won DPOY and this came out afterwards... I would be livid if I were the 2nd place guy this is so blatant lol

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u/WalkingWiki Mavericks Jan 28 '23

This is actually insane. My guess is that it’s probably a mix of possibilities 2 and 3, but either way, I hope this gets more traction. My additional worry is that, if scorekeepers at home stadiums are the official scorekeepers, is this happening elsewhere?

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u/ALotOfLobster Jan 28 '23

Not for blocks and steals but the Celtics score keeper is notorious for beefing up assists stats if I'm not mistaken. I'm saying this as a C's fan.

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u/Hardyng Warriors Jan 28 '23

Warriors are naturally a high assist team but I do suspect ours get bumped up a bit extra at home.

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u/bayless4eva 76ers Jan 28 '23

Nate Duncan talks all the time about how much more generous gsw is the others with assists.

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u/peachesgp Celtics Jan 28 '23

I just went and looked at the past couple of seasons and total assists home and away and a few seasons ago the home and away numbers were a couple of assists different but this year and last had almost no difference.

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u/tadcalabash Jan 28 '23

My additional worry is that, if scorekeepers at home stadiums are the official scorekeepers, is this happening elsewhere?

It's pretty well accepted that some stats are slightly inflated at home, especially for things like assists which can be a little subjective.

But the extent that this is happening with more concrete events like blocks or steals is really egregious.

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u/Kimi7 Lakers Jan 28 '23

OP brought his A game, this is actually ridiculous. We already know some home stat keepers does this type of shit on some scale but doubling his block and steal stats is insane and dishonest.

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u/mastermind208 Jan 28 '23

Watch JJJ's stocks just take a nosedive at home all of a sudden

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u/LeMickeyMice Bucks Jan 28 '23

Bro got a thousand upvotes in an hour with a 5 am EST post goddamn

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u/FuzzyBucks Bucks Jan 28 '23

On a weekend morning too. Yea, this is a big one

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u/craigslistaddict Jan 28 '23

hm... i wonder if this will get picked up by the media at some point? stuff from r/nba does have some visibility.

twitter is a bit scary, youtube isn't much better, but if you had clips of these plays available it would be even more convincing and that would be the right kind of format to view this in rather than just a reddit text post.

EDIT: actually i guess these clips should be available on nba.com since they are counting stats

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u/draculas-shaggyballs NBA Jan 28 '23

I just checked hiss 6 block game against the Suns. Only two of the blocks are absolutely legit and are talked about in real time by the announcers. One is very clearly a block by Brandon while the other three look more like contests with no noticeable deflection of the ball's trajectory due to him touching it. Still great defense that forces bad shots but scoring all three of them as blocks for him is incredibly generous.

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u/slappiestpenguin Warriors Jan 28 '23

Damn I’d be pissed if I was Brandon. At least the Thunder knew they were giving up stats for Westbrook lol.

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u/joshgiddy2024 Thunder Jan 28 '23

I thought I was safe for one thread

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u/metrodome93 [MIN] Luc Longley Jan 28 '23

This will be all over every sport journalism website by morning. OP will likely go uncredited.

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u/LeMickeyMice Bucks Jan 28 '23 edited Jan 28 '23

1k upvotes at 6 am EST has this on track for the top of r/all in no time, won't be long until there's articles out there

Edit: not even 7:30 am and it's the top post on r/all, west coast isn't even dreaming of being awake yet. Post on track for 50k+ easy, articles probably being written as I write this

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u/xosellc Raptors Jan 28 '23

west coast isn't even dreaming of being awake yet.

man some of us degens are still awake

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u/O_oh Spurs Jan 28 '23 edited Jan 28 '23

It will hit r/all in a few hours

Edit:. On pace to make top 10 all time r/nba

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u/LeMickeyMice Bucks Jan 28 '23

It's been there for like an hour and a half lol

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u/qtx Jan 28 '23

Don't know shit about basketball but came here from /r/all for the popcorn.

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u/RulersBack Lakers Jan 28 '23

Gotta get it to Tom Haberstroh and Amin Elhassan. They have a podcast specifically for things like this

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u/wubsfrommysubs Jan 28 '23

Keep your third eye open

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u/PhoenixNZL [DAL] Vince Carter Jan 28 '23

Genuinely one of the best OC posts on this subreddit in a long time. Great job OP!

Pretty messed up if the stats are being fudged on purpose. Considering how popular this subreddit is and how many journalists have referenced content from here, I expect this to gain a lot of attention.

Ultimately, just hope my boi OP gets the credit he deserves for this quality post

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u/suphater Jan 28 '23

Things like this have happened in the past particularly around assists, but this is indeed a top quality OP.

This isn't harmless considering all the DFS and sportsbetting growth, this does need addressed.

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u/moby323 76ers Jan 28 '23

Specifically, people used to say this a lot about the Utah Jazz and John Stockton’s assist numbers.

The accusation at the time was that Stockton would pass the ball to his teammate, the teammate (usually Malone) would dribble, make two moves, then shoot the ball and they would still give Stockton credit for an assist.

This was before the internet but I do remember that some sports radio coverage would talk about it, saying that Stockton’s assist numbers were inflated by 2 to 3 assists per game.

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u/dimeast Thunder Jan 28 '23

Now this is actually a seriously interesting deep dive 👀 well done

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u/mastermind208 Jan 28 '23

Bro did his research too lol

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u/TheRed_Knight Jan 28 '23

IDK how the Memphis scorekeeper thought they could get away with this shit, some of these are blatant AF, more surprised no one from the league office told them to knock this shit off sooner

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u/ryankoppelman Warriors Jan 28 '23

And they would have gotten away with it too if it weren’t for those meddling kids.

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u/Agnk1765342 Jazz Jan 28 '23

Gotta admit I was skeptical of the title but I don’t see how you can argue with those stats. Something felt off about JJJ’s stats in the first place and averaging double blocks + steals at home isn’t remotely believable.

Also thanks for listing specific examples, that’s important.

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u/vuljex Christian Braun Jan 28 '23

Thought it was a shitpost at first but after reading it through and watching the examples I fully agree with OP. This could be very serious, hope it reaches the NBA media.

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u/GGezpzMuppy Spurs Jan 28 '23

A nephew could’ve just kick started the next drama plot line of the season, been in a massive lull at the moment media gonna jump all over this story.

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u/Alex_Sander077 Mavericks Jan 28 '23

I don't know about that OP's account has no comments and has only made two very professional posts about this subject. He could be someone. This shit is wild.

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u/Next-Firefighter-753 Thunder Jan 28 '23 edited Jan 28 '23

My dude dipped his toes in the water 9 days ago with no love, he posts it here and he’s doing a straight up cannonball in the pool with the conspiracy. This shit is about to blow up and be huge…. Lot of money lost/gained at the hands of that scorekeeper.

Another strange thing is the account is a year old and he’s only ever posted this information since making it.

Who is AdMassive6666?

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u/Constant-Elevator-85 Jan 28 '23

I’m with you guys. The post comes off as someone who would browse this subreddit. Chances are it’s just a throw away, meaning there’s info in here that they think could out them. I’d bet someone with easy access to video equipment or stats/books/data. Can’t guess much more than that

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u/Next-Firefighter-753 Thunder Jan 28 '23 edited Jan 28 '23

This is some straight up Sherlock Holmes shit and the greatest “nephew hour” post I’ve ever seen. Already almost 10K upvotes and half the US is still sleeping.

Even the cream of the crop summer shitposts capped out at like 14K upvotes in broad day light.

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u/st6374 Lakers Jan 28 '23

Yeah.. I was expecting it to end with just the discrepancy in the basic stats. Wasn't expecting OP to pull play by play analysis of the events. Even more surprising how one commentator found the clips of all the incident mentioned by OP.

Damn.. This is pretty blatant fuckery going on with the scorekeeping in Memphis. I usually avoid conspiracy. But now it has made me put my tinfoil hat & wonder how much it has to do with gambling & the scorekeeper being involved in it.

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u/armandocalvinisius Mavericks Jan 28 '23

It's Robin Lopez

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u/mastermind208 Jan 28 '23

Lmao imagine someone on the Grizzlies staff notices this, then JJJ's home splits go way down all of a sudden

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u/gdawg99 Raptors Jan 28 '23

OP has money on Nic Claxton, it's a double ruse

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u/sriracha82 Jan 28 '23

This seems weird because doesn’t the NBA independently assess stats like this after each game? Because like players will randomly get their triple doubles taken away or have their rebounding totals lowered by 1 a few hours after the game which implies someone in the league is auditing this stuff

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u/legolas0921 Warriors Jan 28 '23

Few possibilities I can see:

  1. They randomly audit and haven’t picked one of the home games by chance (innocent take)
  2. They specifically only check when it’s a scenario where a player was on a triple-double border (cynical take)
  3. It’s a particularly egregious stat stuff at the end of a game on national tv that everyone clowns (also cynical take)

  4. Maybe they use AI and it’s close enough for these that it doesn’t catch (in each instance J3 is near the play)? This is a big stretch because it would require the person fudging the stats to know the exact margin by which an al g. rhythm won’t catch their fudge.

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u/craigslistaddict Jan 28 '23 edited Jan 28 '23

a team of not-refs does go over every game (the l2m reports come from this but they do the "whole" game each time), but this is to check that refs call (largely on-ball) fouls/non-fouls correctly, i don't think it's to correct other score-keeping errors....

EDIT: all stats do get reviewed, but it might be a separate process than the reviews for ref calls

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u/legolas0921 Warriors Jan 28 '23

Yeah I have vague memories of people expecting a correction but none coming because it typically doesn’t matter.

I can’t imagine them doing anything retroactively here but if this blows up this year that kinda sucks for JJJ assuming he’s not aware of this at all. Poor guy is just playing the game and someone else makes him look shady…

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u/OneOfTheManySams Suns Jan 28 '23

As an avid fantasy basketball player who has watched many clear as fuck blocks sent to the stands not be called a block after whatever review they do is not a negligible amount. Same goes with steals, honestly it is a lottery to determine whether they give the steal to whoever deflected the ball or who gained possession.

Whatever independent service they use is crap.

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u/red_firetruck Knicks Jan 28 '23

There is no better investigative journalist that a random person on the internet with a bunch of free time. Great write up and I hope this gets picked up my national media outlets

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u/Gone213 Jan 28 '23

There was that fake university in Florida or somewhere without a football team but claiming a football team. There was the Florida State being eneligible for a bowl game, but being selected for one, all on Reddit lol.

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u/HeatOVZ Heat Jan 28 '23

JJJ could have his DPOY campaign ruined by some idiot within his own team lol.

But it's strange the NBA doesn't audit this shit more often for there to be so many mistakes.

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u/TheSmrtstManNTheWrld Grizzlies Jan 28 '23

Yeah this is the sad part to me. Dude is still a great defender and could potentially have his reputation damaged through no fault of his own.

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u/Raspberry_Anxious Jan 28 '23

For real, even without these fake stats he’s still a top defender. No way he can win if this story gets big tho

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u/shunsui___kyoraku [DEN] Christian Braun Jan 28 '23

I thought this would be a shitpost or some nonsense but my man came in with solid stats and certain examples to proove it.

I checked some of the above mentioned instances on NBA's official website and this dude is spittin facts. Has to be loooked into.

Also, incase anyone doesn't know, you can check the highlights for every counting stat for all NBA games on nba.com in the play by play section.

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u/sharkybyte101 Spurs Jan 28 '23

Yeah holy shit this is real. What the fffff.

Makes me wonder if other historical stats were somehow manipulated.

Wont the broadcast team notice though? Like.. a steal by Bane!!! Oh now they're saying it's by JJJ.

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u/Buck_Nastyyy Grizzlies Jan 28 '23

Yea I thought it was going to be nonsense but he is right. Hopefully they straighten this issue out.

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u/jdizzle3000 Lakers Jan 28 '23

THE NBA MEDIA NEED TO GET A HOLD OF THIS! This is an A+ post OP. Very well argued and evidenced observation which I don’t think is disprovable. It will be fascinating to see the media/players reaction and how the NBA respond to this scandal!

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u/zoso471 Raptors Jan 28 '23

somewhere the Memphis Gizzlies scorekeeper is waking up realizing he is f*****

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u/PM_IF_YOU_LIKE_TRAPS Trail Blazers Jan 28 '23

Someones getting fired

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u/MDG055 Raptors Jan 28 '23

If the scorekeeper or one of their friends is making money off this(likely) then they're going to prison lol.

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u/GraphikQuotz Bulls Jan 28 '23

This definitely smells like a betting scandal. It would be easy to get away with if we didn't have diligent people like the OP who came spitting facts.

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u/simon2105 Jan 28 '23

Get this man on inside the NBA

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u/momloo NBA Jan 28 '23

nice job putting it all together. someone should forward this to Adam Silver

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u/aj2704 Suns Jan 28 '23

Would be good if some IG pages pick it up. Like House of Highlights and stuff

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u/vivekvangala34_ Wizards Jan 28 '23

Someone on twitter will inevitably post this with or without credit to OP, and if it gets big enough, pages like ESPN and bleacher report will create graphics for this and post on Instagram

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u/Buck_Nastyyy Grizzlies Jan 28 '23

Great post. This is very concerning if it is indeed true. Gonna check up on the stats for the Sunday game at home.

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u/5IVE5TAR5 Jan 28 '23

Well done 👏👏

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u/KneelBeforeCube Bulls Jan 28 '23

Thread of the year.

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u/Necroassassin32 Magic Jan 28 '23

What in the Sherlock Holmes is this.

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u/Ok_Hornet_714 Jan 28 '23 Silver

This has been an issue for the Grizzlies since they played in VANCOUVER

https://deadspin.com/the-confessions-of-an-nba-scorekeeper-5345287

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u/MarinaReema Jan 28 '23

Jaren Jackyourstats Jr

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u/gmona48 Clippers Jan 28 '23

I hope when people wake up, this is a top post of all time. May have just found out a huge scandal in the NBA! 🤯

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u/supermav27 Clippers Jan 28 '23

You know shit’s real when this gets posted at 5AM EST and has 12k upvotes three hours later.

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u/seller_collab Jan 28 '23

That scorekeepers name?

Jaren Jackson Sr.

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u/F4STW4LKER Jan 28 '23

Crossposted you to a couple sports betting subs to spread awareness. Hopefully the posts stay up. I'd imagine the governing body who covers vegas/sports betting would be the one to talk to. Or take it to the media and get a class action lawsuit started lol. This could get messy if he's actually taken stats away from other players. People cumulatively could have lost a ton of money from this over the season on SGP player props.

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u/Asphaltjungle33 Cavaliers Jan 28 '23

This feels like an all time r/nba moment

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u/Cpt_Jumper Jan 28 '23

I'm glad to say I am here for this. Surely this will go down in the annals of history

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u/ShiaMyLaBeouf LeBron James Jan 28 '23 edited Jan 28 '23

This is genuinely some of the craziest stuff I've seen on this subreddit, some of these block / steal credits people have found are egregious as hell. Also, to contextualize his numbers against the other betting favorites for DPOY, here are their respective home/away splits from this season:

Jaren Jackson Jr: Home - 1.4 SPG 4.1 BPG Away - 0.7 SPG 2.2 BPG

Bam Adebayo: Home - 0.9 SPG 0.7 BPG Away - 1.4 SPG 1.0 BPG

Nic Claxton: Home - 0.7 SPG 2.3 BPG Away - 0.7 SPG 3.0 BPG

Brook Lopez: Home - 0.5 SPG 2.8 BPG Away - 0.5 SPG 2.2 BPG

Giannis Antetokounmpo: Home - 1.0 SPG 0.8 BPG Away - 0.7 SPG 0.9 BPG

Obviously not super useful numbers by themselves, as it lacks context provided by schedule difficulty, games played, injury status, etc. but it shows pretty clearly how suspect his numbers are relative to the rest of the top defenders in the NBA, as none of their numbers come close to climbing this much at home.

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u/Lil-Deuce-Scoot Jan 28 '23

Scorekeeper needs protective custody. Or maybe OP does. With so many eyes on sports betting these days I wouldn’t be surprised if this was part of a larger scheme/ring.

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u/Zlink-8 Lakers Jan 28 '23

Finally, some good fucking food. Well done OP, hope a further investigation is conducted to support your work.

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u/Hurtelknut Mavericks Jan 28 '23

This is quality OC

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u/unwindredo Jan 28 '23

Just proves what everyone already knew… encouraging gambling in NBA and someone who can affect the game and profit will do it. Scorekeeper should definitely be investigated

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u/Loudpackgeneral Suns Jan 28 '23

Love that this is posted at 3 am. I know OP is obsessively scrubbing through data and videos as hard as he can, geeked up on god knows what

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u/cannoball_dookie Nets Jan 28 '23

Geez man, looks like you had this stuff 9 days ago posted on the nbastats sub as well and got no traction.

Props to you sticking with ya gut and reposting.

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u/CuriousTurtle5 Bucks Jan 28 '23

You would think the NBA would do independent checks on stuff like this. Just randomly select games where they have someone from the league office concurrently scorekeep and then see if there are any big disparities. Some things are like assists are a little more ambiguous than others but even then the audit scorekeeper could see if the official scorekeeper at the game was being reasonable. Best part about this is you wouldn't need to inform the home team that you're doing it so they decide to score correctly that game. Any team with consistent discrepancies like this would have some explaining to do.

I would also apply for this job tomorrow.

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u/Salmon_Shizzle Jan 28 '23

OP lost hella bets and went full murders she wrote

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