r/mildlyinfuriating • u/lord_dankest • Jan 28 '23
Is this even legal? They add 99 of a cent?? But it’s really just another dollar..
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u/SinOfDeath69 Jan 28 '23
They do it to gas prices. $3.54 9/10
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u/35364461a Jan 28 '23
wait really? i asked my mom what it meant as a kid and she said the $3.54 is for when you buy 9/10 gallons of gas.
…which doesn’t make any more sense now that i think about it
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u/netopiax Jan 28 '23
Your mom is wrong, but it would be a great scheme for an evil gas station owner. Secret 11% price increase.
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u/Zeffsofreshgsix Jan 28 '23
No colonel sanders your wrong.
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u/pigheart Jan 28 '23
My Mama says that alligators are ornery because they got all them teeth and no toothbrush
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u/grey_sky_eyes Jan 28 '23
Lol my dad told me the same thing and he's convinced he knows everything and is always right. I could pull up all the articles I just searched and show him receipts and he'd still start screaming at me that I'm wrong 🤣
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u/yomammaaaaa Jan 28 '23
I think we're related. My dad even admitted he will argue a point when he knows he's wrong just to argue.
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u/epheisey Jan 28 '23
Did she never look at the display on the pump while she was filling up….
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u/eolson3 Jan 28 '23
The numbers only matter if I buy 9 out of 10 gallons. I bought 12 gallons so I stabbed the attendant and drove away.
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u/Roeshambo11 Jan 28 '23
The real reason is because when they did it, gas was like 10-12 cents. So adding one cent was a huge deal. So they'd add 9/10 of a cent to keep the leading number down. Mostly just misdirection to maximize sales
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u/SinOfDeath69 Jan 28 '23
Yeah unfortunately it's priced that way, $3.54 AND 9/10ths of a penny for 1 gallon.
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u/Own-Branch-2283 Jan 28 '23
Not at Donnie’s Discount Gas in Springfield
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u/jerryleebee Jan 28 '23 edited Jan 28 '23
Possibly my favourite joke in all Simpsons episodes.
Edit: found the clip (1m50s)
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u/DrButtgerms Jan 28 '23
That always struck me as sleazy tbh. I truly hope it isn't spreading to other retail
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u/BannedAgain-573 Jan 28 '23
It has to do with the way taxes and subsidies work. I'll like a YouTube that explains it anyone Cares
"By the 1930s, fractional pricing was introduced at the gas pump. One factor that led to the adoption of the practice was taxes. The first federal gas tax was enacted as part of the Revenue Tax Act of 1932, establishing a federal excise tax on gasoline of 1/10th of a cent."
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u/DrButtgerms Jan 28 '23
Idk it probably made sense back in the 30s when gas was $0.10/gallon. I guess it's just another old rule that should have been reassessed at some point
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u/314159265358979326 Jan 28 '23
Gas is priced with mils (1/1000th of a dollar), which used to be more common but are mostly preserved in gas prices. I've never heard of decimils being used before.
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u/KinderGameMichi Jan 28 '23
Mils are the smallest legal unit of US currency. There never was a mil coin but there used to be a 1/2 cent coin. Now, you see mils in gas prices and property taxes.
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u/KyleWhy04 Jan 28 '23
That extra value in gas prices actually has a name, and is an official US monetary value. It’s called a Mill). If you podcast The Omnibus Project did a good episode on it.
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u/ClamClone Jan 28 '23 edited Jan 28 '23
Generally companies can only charge in mills as a rate, not as a final price. This is either a screw up by the person making the signs or a scam. Some items like small semiconductors are priced out to mills but then they are typically purchased in the hundreds of items.
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u/gundog48 Jan 28 '23
That makes sense tbh, because you're often buying a lot of units, so rounding to an arbitrary number of decimal places for the per unit price would simply be inaccurate. This is pretty common for things like bulk liquids.
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u/cravf Jan 28 '23
Except the rounding happens for each gallon not for the entire total. I took a picture way back in the day where I paid $20 and selected the $3.999 gas and the pump stopped at 5.000 gallons and not 5.001 gallons. It pissed me off that now I knew the extra 9 was bullshit. They just round it up before you start pumping.
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u/gundog48 Jan 28 '23
Oh that's shitty if that's how they're doing it. It should be a case of:
Bulk price is £1000 per tonne
We want to make 5% margin, so sell at £1050/t
£1050/t = £945/m3 = £0.945/l (in a dream I had once)
So we charge £0.945/l. Filling 50L at the pump = £47.25
not £0.95x50 = £47.50
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u/trenthany Jan 28 '23
The phone number to report that is literally on the gas pump for exactly that reason but most people don’t check it and some stations get away with it. They get fined by the state pay a fine to the state and screw the consumer.
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u/cravf Jan 28 '23
Damn I wish I knew this back then. I just thought it was an acceptable scam and that's how they all run.
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u/fluffledump Jan 28 '23 edited Jan 28 '23
If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say the superscript 99 is standard on every tag in that store so when printing tags, you should just input the dollar part of the price and the printer would create a X⁹⁹ tag but whoever made the tags still input X.99 so it printed with X.99⁹⁹.
edit: clarification
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u/Tiggeribby Jan 28 '23
That’s entirely possible, but if it’s been like this for a while, eventually someone is going to notice and complain.
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u/Fiyachan Jan 28 '23
From my experience in retail, sometimes things aren’t deemed important enough to put time into until someone complains
If it’s not a hazard or it doesn’t cost the company money, then it’s very ‘who cares’
And people aren’t typically gonna complain if it’s actually (technically) cheaper when they bring it to the tills
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u/lionseatcake Jan 28 '23
Even WHEN they complain, it isn't worth it.
The customer is not always right. More often the customer is horribly uneducated, inexperienced, or just plain stupid and their complaints should be ignored.
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u/Necessary_Weight2497 Jan 28 '23
"The customer is always right" refers to a store selling what customers want, not doing what customers want. If customers want blue shirts, the customer is right and you should sell blue shirts. If customers want some of those ugly-ass Yeezy shoes, then you carry those shoes.
The phrase means that you don't tell the customer that they want something else. You adjust your supply (inventory) to match your customers demand (preferences).
It doesn't mean acquiesce to their every desire and whim. Karen's need to get fucked, not accomodated.
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u/josephlucas Jan 28 '23
The full saying, which is always forgotten, is “the customer is always right in matters of taste”
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u/adrikyn Jan 28 '23
The tags are probably not printed at the store, given that they're in color and have white text
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u/TheOvershear Jan 28 '23
You would be surprised how little a retail employee is going to give a shit.
Source: retail employee
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u/tangerinecoconut Jan 28 '23
The price is not an error , they have been using this type of pricing since 2008.
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u/tarogon Jan 28 '23
I was not expecting to read so much text about one cent.
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u/darkfroggyman Jan 28 '23
Verizon should hire their accountants...
http://verizonmath.blogspot.com/2006/12/response-from-verizon-100-refund.html
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u/fartmitten Jan 28 '23
I remember listening to this whole thing on YouTube years ago. It's hilariously frustrating how nobody at Verizon seems to understand that there is a difference between 0.002 dollars and 0.002 cents.
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u/SuchCoolBrandon Jan 28 '23
This is a lot of effort to raise the price by one cent while misleading your customers into thinking you didn't. Good to see what they value their integrity to be.
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u/kremlingrasso Jan 28 '23
exactly, don't attribute something to malice if it can also be explained with stupidity
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u/counterpots Jan 28 '23
this is like how gas stations gas signs say “$3.399”
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u/ThingThatsJustBegun Jan 28 '23
I remember years ago Andy Rooney* did a segment where he went to a gas station, pumped one gallon of gas, paid in exact change and demanded his tenth of a cent back - which seems like the exact sort of thing John Mulaney's father would do.
*Those of you under 40 can just talk amongst yourselves.
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u/Admiral_Donuts Jan 28 '23
Meanwhile in Canada you'll get your change rounded to the nearest nickel and you'll like it.
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u/MemLeakDetected Jan 28 '23
That's fine if that is the law everywhere. It cuts out having to mint pennies.
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u/The_Trekspert BROWN Jan 28 '23
Am under 40. Do know who Andy Rooney (and his majestic eyebrows) is.
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u/pm_me_your_taintt Jan 28 '23
I'm 43. I used to love andy rooney but now through the lens of "the current times" it's just mostly "ok boomer" shit. Assuming he actually did that and didn't make it up for the story, why tf are you hassling a minimum wage kid at a gas station who has no control over that shit? Leave him be. I guarantee you he already hates his job enough without being harassed by a rich old white man.
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u/crossstuck Jan 28 '23
wait so is it 3.99.99
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u/DaleGribble312 Jan 28 '23 edited Jan 28 '23
Fractional pennies?! Time to break out coupons that are worth 1/100th of a cent to play uno reverse card
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u/BannedAgain-573 Jan 28 '23
Unusual to see in retail but it's definitely part of your gasoline/fuel buying practice in the US.
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u/_Retired_ Jan 28 '23
No, it’s 3.9999
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u/PedanticSatiation Jan 28 '23
It's actually 3.9999 ≈ 313600000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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u/wonderful_tacos Jan 28 '23
no it's 3.99^99 = $3.13e59, don't buy you can get cheaper on amazon
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u/ConsuelaApplebee Jan 28 '23
Yeah but I can’t wait the 2 days. I think I’ll spend the extra $313000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000. I think the convenience is worth it.
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u/lord_dankest Jan 28 '23
Exactly. Everyone here saying it’s normal?? I’m confused
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u/altbekannt Jan 28 '23
It doesn't add another dollar, it adds another cent
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u/OperationSecured Jan 28 '23 edited Jan 28 '23
Welcome to Reddit. 5k upvotes on this…
ETA : 10k and counting, plus fun in this comment chain on what comes after 3.9 when subsections are used in papers.
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u/somefunmaths Jan 28 '23
When I was in undergrad, I had to write a group paper about a big lab experiment. Someone in the group, tasked with working on the next subsection after 3.9, decided that it would be labeled 4.0, not 3.10.
There was already a “Section 4” heading below when they did this, but dude was like “oh, whoops, out of sections, gotta be 4.0”. Feels like the same energy as this “extra dollar”.
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u/spyaleatoire Jan 28 '23
People saying its normal think you're talking about the .99 in 3.99, they dont see the tiny additional 99 upper right of that. Ignore them, that isn't normal and I have no idea what they're hoping to do by having that
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u/Pls_PmTitsOrFDAU_Thx Jan 28 '23
They clearly mean 3.9999. It's an exponent... I'm scared
(This is a joke lol)
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u/spyaleatoire Jan 28 '23
Egg prices are getting out of hand
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u/lobster-overrun Jan 28 '23
Egg companies are making record profits. I should have bought stock in them. I guess I put all my eggs in the wrong basket.
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u/Accurate_Koala_4698 Jan 28 '23
Only 3.9999!
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u/OlOuddinHead Jan 28 '23
Good thing they just introduced a new standard naming for very large numbers!
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u/ExNihiloish Jan 28 '23
I see 9/10 of a cent on signs every day. Gas. So while it is normal, it's also BS.
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u/AssistantEquivalent2 Jan 28 '23
It’s no different than gas stations charging 3.99&9/10
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u/spyaleatoire Jan 28 '23 edited Jan 28 '23
Sure, but I'd be posting here if I saw that labeled on a banana.
Its not normal for other products
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u/lobster-overrun Jan 28 '23
The difference is that the fractions of a cent actually can make a difference depending on how many gallons of gas you buy in the transaction. I guarantee you if you start buying bottles of mouthwash like you’re the main character of an elementary school math problem they won’t be adding up all of those penny fractions to accurately count the total price. Each one will be rounded up to 4.
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u/directorguy Jan 28 '23
Gas stations in the US do this everywhere. You'd be hard pressed to find a gas sign that doesnt.
https://unitedsign.com/a/amp/collections/fuel-price-flip-signs-1
The ones you found could have been printed by mistake, but if thats the case, why isnt there a double period.
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u/Joubachi Jan 28 '23 edited Jan 28 '23
German here - I've never seen that happening anywhere. To me this isn't normal either. Visited a few countries years back and haven't seen it there either.
EDIT: I don't wanna know what you guys do privately, but fuel and mouthwash aren't the same thing, not even in germany....
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u/Master_Moriarty Jan 28 '23
You said it’s another dollar but it’s really another cent the extra 99 is another cent not a dollar lol
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u/NoAlternative2913 Jan 28 '23
So something is 3.99, and they’ve made it 3.9999? That’s not adding another dollar though, that’s just basically saying “this item that was already $4 minus .01 is now $4 minus .0001”, so you pay an extra penny?
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u/Which-Cheesecake-685 Jan 28 '23
It's not another dollar, it's another cent.
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u/GRIZZLY_GUY_ Jan 28 '23
Bruh wtf how is this the only comment pointing this out💀
It’s a rounding thing or something, let’s them round up/not have to return the customer 1 penny
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u/BoxTops4Education Jan 28 '23
Omg is it LEGAL for them to raise their price by another CENT?!!
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u/allisonqrice Jan 28 '23
It's still $4 regardless. It's not adding another dollar. It's adding a cent.
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u/titanfox98 Jan 28 '23
Could be just a printing error, don't know how you got it in the us but where I'm from we use thousands of a € for gas and I've never seen the tenth of thousand for anything apart conversions like €-$ or gold/stocks value.
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u/thebiggestpinkcake Jan 28 '23
It's not a printing error. This is the 99 store (formally named the 99 cent only store ). These stores are all over southern California, they are pretty popular. Everything used to cost 99¢ but around ten years ago everything was raised by a cent but instead of renaming the stores they just labeled all the prices as 99.99¢. Then around five years ago they started selling products for more money so now it's just a regular store. Currently a lot of the 99¢ items were raised to $1.29 plus tax.
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u/titanfox98 Jan 28 '23
I always forget that these prices are before taxes, I'll never understand why you guys do it that way lmao
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u/thebiggestpinkcake Jan 28 '23
Yeah I wish stores would include the full price including the sales tax on every item. It would make shopping way easier. Especially because everyone city has a different percentage of sales tax. Some cities in Los Angeles county have a 10% sales tax.
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u/lord_dankest Jan 28 '23
It’s every single price tag
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u/titanfox98 Jan 28 '23
Definitely strange, how's the receipt? Is everything rounded to the integer or is it 3.99/4.99 etc?
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u/titanfox98 Jan 28 '23
Btw the difference is just a cent on every article
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u/Admirable_Loss4886 Jan 28 '23
Right, this is just like the gas stations that charge 9/10 of a cent on every gallon of gasoline.
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u/CountKnockula Jan 28 '23
Fractional pennies has been a thing at gas stations my entire life. I still think it’s weird.
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u/Septimore Jan 28 '23
If i owned a shop i would print even more nines there. Like $3.99.99.99, just because i hate those " Under $4! Just $3,99! " Commercials.
"Yeah? Frick you commercial, never gonna buy that again "
And that would be my war against stupid and manipulating pricing.
Or realistically it would be $4 in my shop...
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u/hiimsubclavian Jan 28 '23
If I was rich I’d buy 100 tubes of toothpaste for 400 dollars and insist on getting a cent back.
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u/Neither-Bus-3686 Jan 28 '23
Who are they kidding, that marketing strategy is dumb. Whenever i see a nine at the end of a price i don't even bother, i simply round it to the next whole number
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u/Joe109885 Jan 28 '23
You’re right but psychologically it looks better to consumers. When marketing comes up with things like “ONLY $12.99!” They know it’s 13 they know we know it’s 13 but at the end of the day it’s effective, on some level we prefer the looks to $13.04 even if we know the difference. It works even better with bigger numbers.
It may seem dumb but I work in sales and you can see a massive difference in trying to sell something that’s $13,211 or $12,923. 300 off of a 13k dollar purchase isn’t much but when you look at those numbers on paper it’s just easier to accept the $12,923.
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u/amandajag mildly-awesome Jan 28 '23
This is the 99 cent store. The receipt shows this product as:
3.9999
The result is you pay $4 plus tax
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u/Jaded-Function Jan 28 '23
Belongs in mildlydumb. For every 1000 units sold, they make $10 more doing that. You'd think not looking like a greedy fool would be worth $10 to the store owner but guess not.
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u/therealdildoexpert Jan 28 '23
But if someone is paying with cash/coins how are they supposed to pay for the exact price?
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u/GiraffeOnABicycle Jan 28 '23
That's the point, this is a way to raise the price by one cent. 0.99,99 gets rounded up to one dollar. So there is no change.
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u/Jaded-Function Jan 28 '23
Yeah and how do they give you your change? I'd so give $4 and say I'm not leaving without a check for $ 0.001.
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u/Joe109885 Jan 28 '23
They probably would just refund you and tell you to leave. Stores can tell you to have exact change or use card, obviously there’s no way to have exact change in cash so you use card, accept that you’re not getting that 1/100 of a penny back, or just shop elsewhere.
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u/I_Bin_Painting Jan 28 '23
Im buying 100 items, getting my penny change, then returning 99 items.
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u/Etherbeard Jan 28 '23
There would be rounding. Assuming this is in the States, this isn't the final price anyway because there's going to be sales tax added, and increasing most totals by 7.25% or something like that results in fractions of pennies that then have to be rounded.
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u/Blast338 Jan 28 '23
That store is for extremely rich people. The price is 3.99 to the 99th power. It's really 3.1355712E59.
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u/Spirited_Heron5696 Jan 28 '23
I worked in retail for a long time & you’d be surprised how people don’t think about that 1 penny. They see the first number as in if it’s 7.99 they see 7 even though it’s really 1 cent from 8.
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u/ScottShatter Jan 28 '23
Wouldn't it be another penny like gas?? $3.9999 a gallon rounds up to $4 not $4.99. I guess I'm failing to follow how it adds another dollar and not a penny.
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u/iNomNomAwesome Jan 29 '23
I mean, if you're too dumb to look at that and instantly know it's really just $4, that's on you
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u/AlexSpectre007 Jan 28 '23 edited Jan 28 '23
I was shopping with my friend and suggested him a kettle that was Rs. 800(799 on tag). The store employee heard me and said "Sir, it is 799"