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Counter-Strike 2: Responsive Smokes by Valve News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y9MpNcAitQ2.4k
u/chefchef97 Mar 22 '23
Holy shit smoke counterplay, I never even imagined something like that would be possible
HEs just got a lot more valuable, and smoke spam a LOT less
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u/theRobertOppenheimer CS2 HYPE Mar 22 '23
If you look in the video, spamming the smoke with bullets also clears out a part of the smoke. Of course, that the HE can clear the entire smoke for a few seconds is really powerful, but smoke spam will be very interesting too.
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u/GER_BeFoRe CS2 HYPE Mar 22 '23
not only do you reveal yourself with tracers like before, you reveal yourself completely when you shoot through smokes, even with a silencer. This makes spamming smokes less effective if the opponent on the other side is ready to react, but he might not be ready for a HE to blow up the smoke. Very interesting how this plays out in the end.
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u/ArchSyker Mar 22 '23
But it also can give you vision behind the smoke. Definitely adds a whole new level to the game.
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u/Kirrod CS2 HYPE Mar 22 '23
I wonder how it interacts with spotting enemies on the radar
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u/LunaMunaLagoona Mar 22 '23
I haven't played counter strike in a long time but now I want to try lol.
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u/redtube_was_down Mar 22 '23
ooooh i can already smell xyp9x and gla1ve getting back on finding smoke radar exploits
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u/OkAttempt4752 Mar 22 '23
Yep, adds huge risk in spamming smokes.
I wonder how the M4A1-S will be balanced here, since smoke spamming was it's biggest advantage
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u/the-ox1921 CS2 HYPE Mar 22 '23
The negev will be BROKEN for this.
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u/ProbablyNotPikachu Mar 22 '23
Negev was and always has been broken. It's the best gun in the game after all.
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u/therave39 1 Million Celebration Mar 22 '23
They only ever show it clearing smoke near the edges of the bloom, so its unconfirmed whether you can spray through and clear the densest parts
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u/royalewitcheese93 Mar 22 '23
If the effect is only at the edges of smokes it's likely their way to decrease the effectiveness of 1-way smokes
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u/xShep CS2 HYPE Mar 22 '23
One way smokes won't really be a thing because everyone sees the same smoke. Maybe smokes where you can see peoples feet or something because it's raised slightly, but that'll be about it.
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u/royalewitcheese93 Mar 22 '23
Most of the one-ways I know of abuse the opacity at the edge of smokes.
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u/HELLUPUTMETHRU Mar 22 '23
But that was only really a thing due to smokes not actually filling the space they’re in. I feel like now, with smokes behaving more like smoke and less like a big grey wall, it’ll be really interesting to see if/how one ways can still happen.
I’m sure in the early days of CS2 the smokes will have quirks that need to be ironed out, but I have a sneaking suspicion we may be in the dying days of one ways!
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u/Koisame Mar 22 '23
IS THIS HAPPENING??
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u/DrunkLad CS2 HYPE Mar 22 '23
These smoke mechanics are sooo wild, it can fundamentally change the whole game, geez.
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u/Sadzeih Mar 22 '23
It will definitely change the whole meta. Nades clearing smokes is actually crazy, will definitely make the game feel so different
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u/Mffinmn Mar 22 '23
Also the way you instantly reveal yourself when you shoot through the smoke might make smoke spamming risky as fuck. You pretty much never want to be the one shooting first if it looks like that.
Gotta playtest it first though.
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u/tomat0m Mar 22 '23
lfg
No more one ways and crutch smoke spam lineups
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u/loosed-moose Mar 22 '23
Oh fuck yeah. Monesy in shambles
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u/Lazyeye123 Mar 22 '23
Lmao that's exactly what I said. Interested to see how the pro scene plays out.
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u/badger_patriot Mar 22 '23
Wouldn't you still be able to do one ways where feet are showing under smoke?
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u/El_Chapaux 1 Million Celebration Mar 22 '23 edited Mar 23 '23
They've shown how it fills volumes. The smoke might 'fall' to the floor.
Edit: It doesn't
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u/fii0 CS2 HYPE Mar 22 '23
Yes, but as soon as you shoot through the smoke it'll be a lot easier to see and hit you back
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u/New_Pain_885 Mar 22 '23
It looks like it clears the smoke in a line following the bullet path. You'd only be visible to whatever you're shooting at.
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u/Rosettachamps Mar 22 '23 edited Mar 22 '23
Set nades to clear early smokes, holy
Like banana, frags flying everywhere its going to be a blood bath
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u/ForThatNotSoSmartSub Mar 22 '23
smoke quickly fills back the space after a nade so it is only good for peeking through not rushing through (unless you are fine with tanking the damage from your own nade)
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u/Vitefish Mar 22 '23
If you're like me you just rush through them anyway so I'll take a peek!
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u/Loulougroslouis Mar 22 '23
HE will become instantly one of the best nades, hope they make the decoy actually usefull
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u/KungFuActionJesus5 Mar 22 '23
Decoy is already useful. For $50 you get to fool enemies into thinking you threw a flash.
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u/Givemeajackson Mar 22 '23
you lack vision my friend. for 5250$, you get an m249, and a long lasting tinnitus grenade.
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u/KungFuActionJesus5 Mar 22 '23
Decoy with LMG's should sound like constant suppressive fire instead of tap tap tap.
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u/Traditional_Story834 Mar 22 '23
BUT IM STILL SHOOTING AND I'M STILL GETTIN THE HEADSHOTS! IT'S LIKE BOOM HEADSHOT BOOM HEADSHOT BOOOOOOM HEADSHOT!
For the record, I hope this wakes FPS Doug from his slumber, where every he is, we miss you.
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u/SlingingSteel Mar 22 '23
WHERE IS THE FRIDGE GIF WHERE THE FRIDGE IS FUCKING FULL OF ALL OF THE BEST FOODS????? HI HISTORIANS I WAS HERE!
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u/itsIzumi 400k Celebration Mar 22 '23
It was inevitable, but seeing it actually happen is still unbelievable.
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u/marwola Mar 22 '23
My heart's beating, my heart's beating, my hand's are shaking, my hand's are shaking...
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u/K0L3N CS2 HYPE Mar 22 '23
I'm still shooting, and I'm still getting headshots.
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u/royalxK Mar 22 '23
Boom! Headshot! Boom! Headshot! BOOM!! HEADSHOT!!
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u/Shoshke Mar 22 '23
Why are you holding that knife?
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u/Shakes42 Mar 22 '23
You run faster with a knife, everyone knows that.
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u/CodeSylo Mar 22 '23
I thought about joining the Army but I heard there’s no respawn in RL. What if I get lag out there??
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u/m_ttl_ng Mar 22 '23
Love seeing Pure Pwnage references pop up even after ~20 years
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u/BadBoyFTW Mar 22 '23
I watched a few episodes the other day... the references to C&C: Generals everywhere was like nostalgia heroin or something. Hilarious.
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u/omegaturtle Mar 22 '23
Good news! Jarrett Cale said teh_pwnerer will be back in 2023!
https://twitter.com/jarettcale/status/1636852137425608704?s=20
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u/mcbaindk Mar 22 '23
I've never played Counterstrike but for fucks sake if this didn't just unlock a wave of nostalgia.
What do you mean? I run faster with a knife. Everyone runs faster with a knife.
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u/Lagapalooza Mar 22 '23
Wow I haven't thought about this in years haha! Thank you, I appreciate you posting this comment.
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u/HerpfenDerpfen CS2 HYPE Mar 22 '23
"coming summer 2023" I guess we gotta wait a bit but it looks so CLEAN
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u/nzerinto Mar 22 '23
Beta is open today to select players. Not sure how that will work - perhaps to people with a certain number of years and hours in the game?
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u/HerpfenDerpfen CS2 HYPE Mar 22 '23
From the FAQ: "Players are selected based on a number of factors deemed important by the Counter-Strike 2 development team, including (but not limited to) recent playtime on Valve official servers, trust factor, and Steam account standing."
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u/Three_moths CS2 HYPE Mar 22 '23
Valve official servers
It's over. Probably have 60 hours of Faceit clocked in the past week but haven't touched mm since 2021.
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u/nzerinto Mar 22 '23
Cheers - I just read that in another thread. Odd they didn’t include it in the official announcement page.
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u/ImCup
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Holy shit the graphical improvements look so good. Thought they changed the gun models at first but it’s just that everything looks different. Look at the clip of lower dust2 the lighting is entirely different.
Unless it’s just filters on the video but I don’t think valve would frag movie-itize their own marketing videos lol.
Edit: I posted this like a minute after the first video drop, I now see that gun models are actually new.
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u/thecatdaddysupreme Mar 22 '23
Reflections are really nice on the walls, too
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u/ActionWaction Mar 22 '23
RTX ON
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u/mikethemaniac Mar 22 '23
If it's anything like Alyx they'll use detailed parallax cube maps instead of ray tracing
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u/MrSoftServe1337 Mar 22 '23
Yeah if they won't use raytracing on their most recent flagship single player game they probably won't on their mulitplayer game either. Maybe it will be added eventually but right now raytracing is so mediocre for its performance cost that it isn't worth adding it to a competitive game like cs.
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u/petuniaraisinbottom Mar 22 '23
I'm pretty sure there was proof of them working on ray tracing in source 2 somewhere but no idea where I heard it or how far it ever made it. But remember that while HLA was their flagship single player game, they prioritized optimization over everything else specifically to ensure as high a framerate as possible since VR basically requires > 100hz. Just saying it doesn't necessarily mean there will never be ray tracing in source 2.
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u/karmapopsicle Mar 22 '23
I mean I don’t think Alyx is a great example to use. The first RTX hardware launched well over halfway through Alyx’s development cycle, and the game itself is heavily optimized to ensure a smooth and comfortable VR experience across a wide variety of systems. Even by the time it released in March 2020 devs were still tinkering with integrating bits of ray tracing features to their existing or in-development titles, but with only that first-gen hardware still available those were limited implementations with steep performance penalties more intended to see what the tech could do and for devs to gain experience working with it.
There was simply no comparison putting decades of experience and knowledge for building very convincing baked-in lighting against what the limited hardware was capable of producing real-time.
Now, I will say that I think you’re correct that it’s unlikely we will see ray tracing in a competitive online shooter like CS2. However, I would attribute the reason more exclusively to simple performance optimization and keeping a level playing field.
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u/LiDePa Mar 22 '23
Any word on the hardware requirements? Something tells me my i5 7400 won't spit out 144fps on this one...
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u/fckedup CS2 HYPE Mar 22 '23 edited Mar 22 '23
I was like, this is pretty cool post they did and wanted to see who the group was and it was valve like dafuq. Bullet holes in smoke spam will be so cool to see
E: Also, smoke change is such a simple yet fundamental thing to change in CS it will be so fun to see how it works out. Imagine lower floor and higher ceiling for coordination required for rounds now.
E2: one thing I realized that no one is really commenting on, since the smokes are now space filling, does that mean you can't clip smokes through walls, making existing smokes for one way/blocking from other side of the wall impossible?
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u/vodkamasta Mar 22 '23
No more one ways, smokes look the same for everyone at all angles.
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u/chefchef97 Mar 22 '23
To my eye the iron sights on the M4A4 looks different - or am I just going crazy
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u/KimJongJim Mar 22 '23
Looks unbelievably sexy, but we all know we're just gonna VERY LOW all the graphics haha
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u/Spanky_Badger_85 Mar 22 '23 edited Mar 22 '23
Yep. Then 4:3 stretch it so it looks even worse. Because reasons.
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u/CoxyMcChunk Mar 22 '23
The smoke knows where it is, because it knows where it isn't.
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u/roflmaoshizmp CS2 HYPE Mar 22 '23
Grenades clearing out smokes is quite literally game changing. I can't wait to see what strats that will bring.
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u/gringo_no_brasil Mar 22 '23
The game will be so much faster. HE is so much more valuable now.
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u/SP0oONY Mar 22 '23
It'll be funny to see HE's used to disperse Smokes that are used to put out Mollys.
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u/A3OVE Mar 22 '23
Decoys might have an actual use in that now..
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u/fatcomputerman Mar 22 '23
i was literally thinking, does the decoy explosion add utility now?
that would be pretty sick. it does have a countdown before it pops.
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u/CoreyReynolds Mar 22 '23
Surely a decoy would be active almost the same amount if not more time than the smoke? Rendering the utility idea useless? :(
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u/Deeeadpool Mar 22 '23
Limited test starts today, for select players
https://counter-strike.net/cs2
How do I know if I've been selected for the Counter-Strike 2 Limited Test?
If you are chosen to participate in the Counter-Strike 2 Limited Test you will receive a notification on the main menu of CS:GO.If you receive an invitation select "ENROLL" and begin your download. When the download is complete launch CS:GO and select the "Limited Test" option to play the Counter-Strike 2 Limited Test.
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u/BitterAd9531 CS2 HYPE Mar 22 '23
Based on 'recent' playtime apparently. I have thousands of hours in CSGO but not recently because of uni. Would suck if I didn't get to test it, but holy shit I'm so hyped. This looks so good.
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u/pr1mal0ne Mar 22 '23
uni is important. rigth call here
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u/PantsMcFail2 Mar 22 '23
Cue everyone who fell off the wagon redownloading and binging CS:GO in the hopes of getting into the Limited Test - or any future tests that may happen between now and release!
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u/FatIntel Mar 22 '23
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u/CampyCamper Mar 22 '23
Sound rework too! Cool, hopefully no more horrible tinnitus from flashbangs and even better positional audio
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u/the_random_asian CS2 HYPE Mar 22 '23
I WAS HERE
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u/Arrivance Mar 22 '23
I WAS HERE
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u/Infinity_tk Mar 22 '23
IF YOUR ERECTION LASTS LONGER THAN 4 HOURS PLEASE CONTACT YOUR DOCTOR
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u/Elcheer 1 Million Celebration Mar 22 '23
THE ONE PIECE IS REAL
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u/BaddyGames Mar 22 '23
summer 2023? damn
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u/MiamiVicePurple Mar 22 '23
It makes sense. It would be super cool if it came out this week, but it makes more sense to release after the major.
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u/MistaDontPlay69 Mar 22 '23
EVERYONE STAY CALM. STAY FUCKING CALM!
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u/drt0 Mar 22 '23 edited Mar 22 '23
Too late I'm already on the Hype Train! All aboard 🚂🚃🚃🚃
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u/Rhed0x CS2 HYPE Mar 22 '23
Blowing smokes away with a HE is gonna change everything at a pro level.
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u/mightyzinger5 Mar 22 '23
It only temporarily removes the smoke. Smokes grow back now if it's duration isn't up
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u/Dcoyxy9 Mar 22 '23
Maps redesigned, new UI, grenades have been upgraded, revamped client-side tickrate system, new lighting system holy shit this is bigger than I thought
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u/WhatTheFlup
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'Counter-Strike 2' - well, there's the official name
'Coming summer 2023' - wait what?
Edit - Wait I just saw a grenade dissipate the smoke? What the fuck
Edit 2 - just seen the other videos, this is fucking huge and the updates change the actual fundamentals of how you play round on round with these smoke updates
New UI looks gorgeous as well, man, Valve just don't miss
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u/Dcoyxy9 Mar 22 '23
If I had to guess, beta is coming now and then the official release will happen after the major
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u/ChurchillDownz Mar 22 '23
This is very similar to the timeline they used with testing Dota2 and its transition to Source2.
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u/zero__sugar__energy CS2 HYPE Mar 22 '23
Did you see what happens when you shoot through the smoke?
holy fuck
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u/groberschnitzer Mar 22 '23
Negev is now Meta - as always when you change the rules!
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u/drododruffin Mar 22 '23 edited Mar 31 '23
Negev is now Meta - as always when you change the rules!
Looks like dakka is back on the menu, boys!
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u/emperorsteele Mar 22 '23
And then it refills!
From a first look, it looks a little too "clean", like, making a perfect circle when someone shoots through it. But I look forward to a more polished iteration!
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u/fckedup CS2 HYPE Mar 22 '23
Seems like a conscious decision to provide clearings for gaining vision. Silenced weapons might be interesting use for intel.
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u/Not_too_dumb Mar 22 '23
Holy fucking shit surely they wouldn't put so much effort for an April fools joke this is real!
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u/Rainino Mar 22 '23
The way valve sometimes announces stuff is just hilariously.
You have one of the biggest announcement in the gaming industry to make and you just upload some random videos on your YouTube channel without any ads/announcement/countdowns or whatever.
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u/awillza Mar 22 '23
Why waste marketing budget when you can get the community to do it for you for free. A few tweets to bait, and the rest is free exposure.
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u/zero__sugar__energy CS2 HYPE Mar 22 '23 edited Mar 22 '23
SOMEONE HOLD ME!
I NEED AN ADULT!!!
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u/Linard Mar 22 '23
Global Offensive was already a weird subtitle to give the game but calling the game "Counter-Strike 2: Responsive Smokes" is just ridiculous. /s
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u/Tom_Mc_Nugget Mar 22 '23
Even as someone who doesn't really play CS:GO, I really like how this actually looks like a new counter strike game rather than the $60 game updates the rest of the industry has been pushing out
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u/Sharko_Spire Mar 22 '23
I don't even play CS and I still said "OOOH!" out loud when the grenade blew the smoke away.
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u/aTempes7 Mar 22 '23
Now imagine what they chose NOT to show us. This is just a taste of everything that's about to come.
As an old timer that played every version of CS ever made, I can't fucking wait for the future!
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u/persianbluex Mar 22 '23
Thank you Riot Games. If it wasn’t for Valorant offering healthy competition, CSGO enjoyers wouldn’t get all of the upcoming upgrades
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u/Flofl_Ri Mar 22 '23
It´s CRAZY how much of a pullfactor CS has marketing wise. Valve uploads 3 videos, and the Internet is exploding 30 minutes later. Riot releases a whole new game and needs to pay dozens of streamers several days to get the same hype.
Iam not even in the CSGO bubble, and all feeds are still full of CS2 News.
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u/dungnm10082000 Mar 22 '23
CS is a franchise for what, 20 yrs now? Maybe more, so probably a healthy lead. Ik Riot has League but it's like a different genre altogether. If you ask a rando what would a 5v5 fps look like, they'd mostly still describe CS.
We think of Riot as a giant, and they are, but so is Valve, with a significant importance in the PC Gaming space, bot in terms of distribution and development, ofc gaming people care about what they do.
Not to mention as of now, most Valorant pros are like old time CS pros, so there's this sentiment (arguably true tho) that the best fps players and matches are still in csgo.
That could change in the future, I think a lot of kids are playing Valorant for many reasons, so who knows.
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u/Friendofabook Mar 22 '23
Wow! Havent played CS in 5 years but I want to be a part of the hype after seeing this in /r/all!
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u/Vipitis CS2 HYPE Mar 22 '23
new subreddit name?
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u/paulisaac Mar 22 '23
Maybe not - r/paydaytheheist is still the name despite Payday 2 being the dominant game
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u/Orsetii Mar 22 '23
he blew up a smoke with a he btw i do believe. absoloutely crazy.
thank you volvo
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u/KeepTheChange_YFA Mar 22 '23
Knees weak,
Arms are heavy,
Counter-Strike-fuckin-2,
My soul is ready!
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u/Irbynx Mar 22 '23
Valve made CS, CS1.6, CSCZ, CSCZDS, CS:S and CSGO and only now they made CS2
Still can't count to three
I love it
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u/Rogue_Cloud Mar 22 '23
A detail I haven't seen anyone mention yet, is the awp shot on overpass at 0:56. The bullet leaves a visible lingering trail now.
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u/Philluminati CS2 HYPE Mar 22 '23 edited Mar 22 '23
Ok first impressions
- looks amazing and sooo clean!!
- new dynamic smoke behaviour is a big shock, a real game changer. Going to take some getting used to.
- whole game looks incredible, I am excited for it.
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u/the_random_asian CS2 HYPE Mar 22 '23
I absolutely love the cartoonier graphics holy
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u/sukotuze Mar 22 '23
It's like the right balance between stylized and not too cartoony. The brighter lighting looks so much nicer on the eyes, not to mention visibility.
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u/QTheStrongestAvenger Mar 22 '23
The lighting will definitely help reduce my blood pressure. My doctor will be happy.
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u/Cardoxon Mar 22 '23
cs2 child game.... look to cartoon grapfix to make kid player happy like children show.. cs2 cartoon world with rainbow unlike globel ofensive with dark corridorr and raelistic gun.. cs2 like playhouse. cs2 playor run from csgo fear of dark world and realism
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u/Alexndre Mar 22 '23
cs2 child game but that is not normally... This very very insane....They look to cartoon grapfix to make kid player happy like children show.. cs2 cartoon world with rainbow unlike globel ofensive with dark corridorr and raelistic gun.. cs2 like playhouse. cs2 playor run from csgo fear of dark world and realism....
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u/KrzyDankus Mar 22 '23
csgo hasnt been as stylized as valorant, but it hasnt been as realistic as something like insurgency.
you already have colorful skins and some of the character models (especially the dust 2 terrorists) have a bit of stylized look to them
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u/el_doherz Mar 22 '23
Oh fuck if this is real the meta is going to get blown the fuck apart.
This is potentially game breakingly different.
Cool as fuck though.
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u/PandaKing185 Mar 22 '23
"If this is real"
MF THAT IS THE OFFICIAL VALVE YOUTUBE CHANNEL
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u/Bompedomp Mar 22 '23
Had me checking my calendar. Still got a week and a half before we gotta worry everything is an april fools prank.
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u/Night_Not_Day Moderator Mar 22 '23 edited Mar 23 '23
Counter-Strike 2 is here!
You can check out the official website post about the game here.
If you want to know more about the limited test phase of CS2, visit the Steam FAQ.
ATTENTION
Beware of scams. The only way to check for Limited Test access is to launch CS:GO through Steam and check the Main Menu.
Do not log into third party sites claiming to check your Steam account for access or offering Limited Test access or keys; there are no Limited Test keys.